Rand Paul-Typical lying, two-faced Rightie

but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests"


I should know how this works but I don't. If you represent a district or state and you want money for let's say a freeway project if you put that request into an existing bill that would be pork correct? How would you make that request so it is not considered pork?
First off, you seem to be confusing pork with earmarks. Frankly, earmarks are impossible to avoid. For instance, say congress writes a spending bill for maintaining the U.S. highway system. They are not going to simply say "let's spend $200 billion" and let the states, who actually do the contracting for highway maintenance, fight it out. They'll EARMARK so much for a specified project in PA, so much for rebuilding the Beartooth Pass in Montana and Wyoming, so much for upgrading/rebuilding highway bridges in TX, etc. Of course each senator is going to lobby for their state to receive funds needed for that state's projects. It's their JOB to represent their state interests in such matters. Earmarks simply distribute the funds approved by a spending bill among the states.

Frankly, those who called for, and/or promised an end to earmarks don't know what the heck they're talking about. Then again, it was the MSM that started talking about earmarks as if pork and earmarks were one and the same. Politicians had the choice of trying to explain the widespread mistake, or "going with the flow" and calling pork barrel spending by the wrong, but publicly accepted name.

Pork is a whole different matter from earmarks. Pork is when someone tacks on spending that has little or nothing to do with the bill itself, like creating a new national monument in Cheatsville, CA, and tacking that onto a military spending bill, or even tacking on funding for a $2 million dollar "scenic turnout" (which wasn't in the original plans) to the highway bill example above. (The latter is, perhaps, why some see a wide gray line between pork and earmarks.)
 
The very first sentence of Nigel's first link:


Rand Paul has made a ban on wasteful earmark spending in Washington D.C. one of the key points of his campaign.

I don't expect anything like proof placed right under your nose to get you to admit I was right...but one never knows.

lmao....apparently i need to greatly emphasize the word for you....like i said --the OP has him saying wasteful earmarks, nothing about necessary monies for necessary projects etc-- that is what he said in your OP and nothing i see contradicts that

so far, you are not right, he has not lied...care to try again....
 
Actually, sometimes he referred to "wasteful earmark spending" whereas on other occasions he pledged to end earmarks. I mean, how in the hell do you square his website stating that he has made a "no earmark pledge" with the latest? He's full of shit. Always has been.

At best, Rand Paul was intentionally misleading when he said he wanted to end "wasteful earmark spending."




Likely true? Of course it's true. Anyone can pledge not to ask for wasteful spending so long as they get to decide for themselves what "wasteful" means.

And look, I don't have a problem with earmarks. I don't give a shit about them and think that on balance they are a good thing. But I didn't run for Senate claiming to want to end them, either. Ask Rand Paul.

i don't know, loooks like his context was always earmarks...you believe he was misleading with wasteful...i don't know, if he truly meant zero earmarks, he isn't very smart and he did flip flop

if zappy is going to call that a lie, then its a wonder zappy hasn't called obama a typical liar as well...wait...it isn't a wonder, zappy is a hardcore lefty political hack
 
lmao....apparently i need to greatly emphasize the word for you....like i said --the OP has him saying wasteful earmarks, nothing about necessary monies for necessary projects etc-- that is what he said in your OP and nothing i see contradicts that

so far, you are not right, he has not lied...care to try again....

Man, your spin machine kicks into high gear when someone has an "R" next to their name.

He called for a flat 1-year moratorium on earmarks. Anyone in Congress can argue that "their" earmark isn't wasteful.
 
First off, you seem to be confusing pork with earmarks. Frankly, earmarks are impossible to avoid. For instance, say congress writes a spending bill for maintaining the U.S. highway system. They are not going to simply say "let's spend $200 billion" and let the states, who actually do the contracting for highway maintenance, fight it out. They'll EARMARK so much for a specified project in PA, so much for rebuilding the Beartooth Pass in Montana and Wyoming, so much for upgrading/rebuilding highway bridges in TX, etc. Of course each senator is going to lobby for their state to receive funds needed for that state's projects. It's their JOB to represent their state interests in such matters. Earmarks simply distribute the funds approved by a spending bill among the states.

Frankly, those who called for, and/or promised an end to earmarks don't know what the heck they're talking about. Then again, it was the MSM that started talking about earmarks as if pork and earmarks were one and the same. Politicians had the choice of trying to explain the widespread mistake, or "going with the flow" and calling pork barrel spending by the wrong, but publicly accepted name.

Pork is a whole different matter from earmarks. Pork is when someone tacks on spending that has little or nothing to do with the bill itself, like creating a new national monument in Cheatsville, CA, and tacking that onto a military spending bill, or even tacking on funding for a $2 million dollar "scenic turnout" (which wasn't in the original plans) to the highway bill example above. (The latter is, perhaps, why some see a wide gray line between pork and earmarks.)

Thanks Good Luck. So who is actually in charge of the specific earmarking?
 
i don't know, loooks like his context was always earmarks...you believe he was misleading with wasteful...i don't know, if he truly meant zero earmarks, he isn't very smart and he did flip flop

if zappy is going to call that a lie, then its a wonder zappy hasn't called obama a typical liar as well...wait...it isn't a wonder, zappy is a hardcore lefty political hack

Sorry, but you're the one who would start a thread on Obama immediately if you read about a flip-flop like this, but will go on for 2 pages defending a Republican....
 
Thanks Good Luck. So who is actually in charge of the specific earmarking?
Earmarks have always been associated with pork. There are earmarks that are necessary, but for the most part, this is where the legislators get their monies to update the statue of Zeus in the Capital fountain.
This is why they have gotten a bad reputation and that earmarks will often hold up a bill from passing!
 
Sorry, but you're the one who would start a thread on Obama immediately if you read about a flip-flop like this, but will go on for 2 pages defending a Republican....

must you always be a dick and a liar? i haven't defended him, i used the words given in the OP that said wasteful and in fact zappy gave the same words again....i asked a question...and then i said if he in fact meant no earmarks then he did flip flop....

seriously, you are fucking dumbass liar and a hypocrite because you will jump at the chance to defend dems, will not call out anyone from your side, yet whine about others purportedly doing exactly what you actually do

you've done nothing but ad hom over and over here....who pee'd in your wheaties little boy?
 
Man, your spin machine kicks into high gear when someone has an "R" next to their name.

He called for a flat 1-year moratorium on earmarks. Anyone in Congress can argue that "their" earmark isn't wasteful.

:rolleyes:

yeah, its spin to use the OP words and zappy repeating the wasteful remark

now, instead of being a dishonest prick, how about you show that quote with a link like i've asked for....

you could have cleared this up hours ago, instead you simply love to ad hom and lie
 
must you always be a dick and a liar? i haven't defended him, i used the words given in the OP that said wasteful and in fact zappy gave the same words again....i asked a question...and then i said if he in fact meant no earmarks then he did flip flop....

seriously, you are fucking dumbass liar and a hypocrite because you will jump at the chance to defend dems, will not call out anyone from your side, yet whine about others purportedly doing exactly what you actually do

you've done nothing but ad hom over and over here....who pee'd in your wheaties little boy?

Stop projecting. I call out "my side" all of the time; probably more than I praise them (definitely more than I praise them lately).

You're the hack, and I think you know it. As soon as Obama hints at something, you're all over it, but you can't even acknowledge blatant hypocrisy from Republicans when it's plain to everyone....
 
BTW: does anyone have links to what Paul actually said? Calling for a halt to wasteful earmarks is, indeed, quite different from ALL earmarks - especially since almost ALL fedral spending is allotted through earmarks. The former would have tossed out the infamous "bridge to nowhere". The latter is quite impossible and making or believing such a promise only demonstrates a woeful ignorance of how our government works.
 
must you always be a dick and a liar? i haven't defended him, i used the words given in the OP that said wasteful and in fact zappy gave the same words again....i asked a question...and then i said if he in fact meant no earmarks then he did flip flop....

seriously, you are fucking dumbass liar and a hypocrite because you will jump at the chance to defend dems, will not call out anyone from your side, yet whine about others purportedly doing exactly what you actually do

you've done nothing but ad hom over and over here....who pee'd in your wheaties little boy?

And right on schedule here come the ad homs from ol Yurt.

He tossed some ad homs at me, now he's moved on to Onceler and Nigel...

It happens every time he gets caught defending the indefensible, he resorts to the pitiful ad homs.
 
And right on schedule here come the ad homs from ol Yurt.

He tossed some ad homs at me, now he's moved on to Onceler and Nigel...

It happens every time he gets caught defending the indefensible, he resorts to the pitiful ad homs.

bullshit, you just gave me a nasty hatefilled rep....as if you don't ad hom...lmao

notice you ran away from the actual discussion though...don't you just hate it when you're proven wrong over and over :)
 
Stop projecting. I call out "my side" all of the time; probably more than I praise them (definitely more than I praise them lately).

You're the hack, and I think you know it. As soon as Obama hints at something, you're all over it, but you can't even acknowledge blatant hypocrisy from Republicans when it's plain to everyone....

simply not true...

btw...still waiting for that lilnk and quote...guess you care more about lies and ad hom than actual debating...pity, you're not bad when youi're not pissy and moody
 
:rolleyes:

yeah, its spin to use the OP words and zappy repeating the wasteful remark

now, instead of being a dishonest prick, how about you show that quote with a link like i've asked for....

you could have cleared this up hours ago, instead you simply love to ad hom and lie

.
 
BTW: does anyone have links to what Paul actually said? Calling for a halt to wasteful earmarks is, indeed, quite different from ALL earmarks - especially since almost ALL fedral spending is allotted through earmarks. The former would have tossed out the infamous "bridge to nowhere". The latter is quite impossible and making or believing such a promise only demonstrates a woeful ignorance of how our government works.
But, what is one's mans waste is another necessity, who gets to decided? Someone wanted that road to no where!
 
BTW: does anyone have links to what Paul actually said? Calling for a halt to wasteful earmarks is, indeed, quite different from ALL earmarks - especially since almost ALL fedral spending is allotted through earmarks. The former would have tossed out the infamous "bridge to nowhere". The latter is quite impossible and making or believing such a promise only demonstrates a woeful ignorance of how our government works.

i've been waiting for this since the OP opened....its clear zappy and onceler care more for ad homs than discussing the thread
 
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