Palin made the difference in the Senate...

Rana said:
Well, Damo, just feel really smug that I give you that feeling of superiority, I guess I am good for people in that way on here. It is sometimes hard to convey our meanings without going into a Dixie style post, so I will just say that our ideas of the role of government is not on the same page as yours and our ideas of protection aren't the same, either. Now, jump into your smugglie and watch the world go by...
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Another way is to ask questions rather than to make assumptions. You assumed I would be against government in things like sewage, that's silly.

BTW, I am also for regulations that force companies or "the powerful" or even my neighbor to be responsible with their waste so they don't poison populations downstream. That also goes with the second question... if you poison others through irresponsibility there is a direct victim. Is there a way to do that without government? I really don't know of one.
 
Damocles said:
Another way is to ask questions rather than to make assumptions. You assumed I would be against government in things like sewage, that's silly.

BTW, I am also for regulations that force companies or "the powerful" or even my neighbor to be responsible with their waste so they don't poison populations downstream. That also goes with the second question... if you poison others through irresponsibility there is a direct victim. Is there a way to do that without government? I really don't know of one.
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I'm curious Damo, does Colorado, like North Carolina, have environmental protection listed as a government function in its Constitution?
 
Damn Yankee said:
I'm curious Damo, does Colorado, like North Carolina, have environmental protection listed as a government function in its Constitution?
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I actually do not know, our constitution is a complex document with many, many, many amendments that make it a form of study in itself...

The original constitution guaranteed you a right to access to clean water, and that hasn't changed. There was also regulations against child employment (especially in mines) in the original documents.
 
Damocles said:
I actually do not know, our constitution is a complex document with many, many, many amendments that make it a form of study in itself...

The original constitution guaranteed you a right to access to clean water, and that hasn't changed. There was also regulations against child employment (especially in mines) in the original documents.
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Why so complicated? Constitutions are supposed to be simple. Ours has an article XIV where they put the amendments. Section 5 is environmental protection:

Sec. 5. Conservation of natural resources.

It shall be the policy of this State to conserve and protect its lands and waters for the benefit of all its citizenry, and to this end it shall be a proper function of the State of North Carolina and its political subdivisions to acquire and preserve park, recreational, and scenic areas, to control and limit the pollution of our air and water, to control excessive noise, and in every other appropriate way to preserve as a part of the common heritage of this State its forests, wetlands, estuaries, beaches, historical sites, openlands, and places of beauty.

To accomplish the aforementioned public purposes, the State and its counties, cities and towns, and other units of local government may acquire by purchase or gift properties or interests in properties which shall, upon their special dedication to and acceptance by a law enacted by a vote of three-fifths of the members of each house of the General Assembly for those public purposes, constitute part of the 'State Nature and Historic Preserve,' and which shall not be used for other purposes except as authorized by law enacted by a vote of three-fifths of the members of each house of the General Assembly. The General Assembly shall prescribe by general law the conditions and procedures under which such properties or interests therein shall be dedicated for the aforementioned public purposes.
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On Tuesday we voted to add in a new section, denying felons the right to serve as a Sheriff. I assume that will be a new Section 6.
 
What Liberals like Rana fail to understand is that if the federal EPA goes away, as it should since it is not authorized by the Constitution, that the States will simply take over the role, again, as they should under Amendment X. States that fail to do this will simply suffer the wrath of their citizenry, or get punished through a lawsuit brought on by a neighboring State.

Liberals don't mind relying on greedy lawyers to bring suit against eevviill corporations to make products safer but they don't trust these same lawyers to bring suit against states for not protecting their citizens.
 
Damn Yankee said:
What liars like me fail to understand is that if the federal FFL is not held, as it should since it is not authorized by the ATF, that the Remington HQ will simply inform anyone who inquires, again, that SM was lying and has been pwned. Liars that fail to do this will simply suffer the mockery of the citizenry, or get punished through constant requests to produce more fake receipts from imaginary VIP programs.

Liars don't mind relying on challenging others to bets after thay said they weren't betting men like SM .
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Fixed that for ya.
 
Damn Yankee said:
What Liberals like Rana fail to understand is that if the federal EPA goes away, as it should since it is not authorized by the Constitution, that the States will simply take over the role, again, as they should under Amendment X. States that fail to do this will simply suffer the wrath of their citizenry, or get punished through a lawsuit brought on by a neighboring State.

Liberals don't mind relying on greedy lawyers to bring suit against eevviill corporations to make products safer but they don't trust these same lawyers to bring suit against states for not protecting their citizens.
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While the EPA may or may not be unconstitutional, federal regulation of pollutants that may cross state lines is necessary. The problem we had before those existed was companies who would build on state lines to pass their pollution into the next state. The next state had no power to regulate the pollution from the other state and not all states were willing to support the rights of their neighbors.

There are many cases where whole villages were made ill by the pollutants that crossed state lines this way.
 
Damocles said:
While the EPA may or may not be unconstitutional, federal regulation of pollutants that may cross state lines is necessary. The problem we had before those existed was companies who would build on state lines to pass their pollution into the next state. The next state had no power to regulate the pollution from the other state and not all states were willing to support the rights of their neighbors.

There are many cases where whole villages were made ill by the pollutants that crossed state lines this way.
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That's why we have lawyers, to sue the industry that's polluting. Why is that OK for product liability but not OK for pollution?
 
Damn Yankee said:
That's why we have lawyers, to sue the industry that's polluting. Why is that OK for product liability but not OK for pollution?
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Civil lawsuits are not an efficient method of enforcing environmental regulations. Why not just abolish the police and enforce the laws against murder by civil law suits?
 
Watermarx said:
Civil lawsuits are not an efficient method of enforcing environmental regulations. Why not just abolish the police and enforce the laws against murder by civil law suits?
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If you want efficiency then move to a communist country. Democracy is not supposed to be efficient. Law enforcement is constitutionally mandated function of government.
 
Watermarx said:
Efficiency = communism. You heard it here first.
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Yes, communism is very efficient at enforcing its regulations.

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