Unconscious? You Know You Wanted It

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Superfreak said:
Um... because you are a woman and we all know women are incapable of thinking for themselves? You know you need to be told what to think. Hence, you are a liberal.

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Oh did you get this from the Drugde site? this looks like a copy and paste job to me.
 
Superfreak said:
wow... still trying to spin yurt? I would think you would tire from it, but apparently you are a spin master jedi or something. I know you want to continue providing this rapist with reasons that he just might not be a rapist. I know you want to cling to the 'by golly, I am Yurt and I proclaim this guy to not be a rapist and so he must not be'. I know you want to continue hedging your comments with he 'most likely' is a rapist and his confession 'might have just been misplaced guilt, though that is highly unlikely' in some vain attempt to bring yourself closer to the FACT that he is a rapist.

You are pathetic yurt. I pity those who have the unfortunate luck to know you in real life.
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no...whats pathetic is your inability to accept truths. to accept as FACT that there is a small, and i say again, very unlikley chance, he is innocent. i've given anecdotal evidence of other cases, pointed to his prior confession and sense of guilt....apple made very good observations about the case and did a much better job than i in explaining why the case seems "off" to me and you of course fail to address apple's post, onceler ran like hell.....and darla of course is just here to hate men

your anger issues and spazz sessions are getting worse. you have nothing but your opinion that this guy is 100% guilty. thats it. and yet you call me stupid, pathetic etc....yet i'm the one producing anecdotal evidence that might, and i believe very unlikely (i repeat again as you've repeatedly lied and said i am defending this guy, however, the truth is, YOU don't want to prosecute him, whereas i am an idiot for wanting to do so) chance he might be innocent......

if you had any intelligence you would have to admit that is a possibility, if you had any intelligence you woudl not falsely claim i am defending him when its you who doesn't want to take the guy to court

go back and look at our debate, youi've completely spazzed out
 
Yurt said:
no...whats pathetic is your inability to accept truths. to accept as FACT that there is a small, and i say again, very unlikley chance, he is innocent. i've given anecdotal evidence of other cases, pointed to his prior confession and sense of guilt....apple made very good observations about the case and did a much better job than i in explaining why the case seems "off" to me and you of course fail to address apple's post, onceler ran like hell.....and darla of course is just here to hate men

your anger issues and spazz sessions are getting worse. you have nothing but your opinion that this guy is 100% guilty. thats it. and yet you call me stupid, pathetic etc....yet i'm the one producing anecdotal evidence that might, and i believe very unlikely (i repeat again as you've repeatedly lied and said i am defending this guy, however, the truth is, YOU don't want to prosecute him, whereas i am an idiot for wanting to do so) chance he might be innocent......

if you had any intelligence you would have to admit that is a possibility, if you had any intelligence you woudl not falsely claim i am defending him when its you who doesn't want to take the guy to court

go back and look at our debate, youi've completely spazzed out
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poor yurtsie.... upset that we mock him for his love and defense of rapists. STILL trying to say this guy 'might not be a rapist'... now hedging to say it is really really REALLY unlikely, but he just 'might not be a rapist'.... again, despite the FACT that he IS a RAPIST.

Then poor little yurtsie continues on by trying to project his love of the rapist onto others. It is not a question of 'not wanting to try him' yurtsie. We simply made the point that there is not likely enough EVIDENCE that can be used in court to convict him. THAT is why the DA did not file charges and likely why her attorney did not file the motion to compel. BUT dearest little yurtsie is convinced his law 101 course has him ready to try this guy... no matter what the circumstances. you will make a fine file clerk one day yurtsie.... odds are even you can't fuck that up.

Now yurtsie, do us all a favor and stop showing your undying love for the rapist. You are beginning to sink to the level of the creepy little leg humping stalker we drove from this board.
 
Darla said:
This apparently is the new line now. Apparently, it's all the rage for gf's to call up their bf's and say, hi bad boy do you remember when you raped me? And then he says, i totally remember when I raped you. That was wrong of me. I was very bad.

And this is some sort of foreplay.

And if there are people here doing that? Please keep it to yourselves. Not everyone here needs to be gagging on your idea of HAWT sex.

But the thing here is that she called him from the police station at the behest of the police.

So now we are to believe that the beginning of a really smoking night of sex is to go the police station, file a false rape report, goad the cops into asking you to call your lover and reminisce about a rape that never happened.

Why didn't I ever think of that?
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I prefer my sex to be all sweet and romantic.
 
Darla said:
Really, from everything you've seen on tv, this doesn't seem the way a rape victim would act to you? So I guess law and order never did an episode where they asked the victim to record the suspect confessing?

Maybe SVU did?

Hey, let's all consult our tv guides and see if we can find any precident for a rape victim acting this way! Does anyone have tv guides saved from the past ten years, because I know some real pathetic bastards do save them, and then we can clear up this whole "did she want it or not" thing decisively.

Perhaps Apple, in your rush to appreciate women's beauty, you missed the part where she called him from the police station, and at the behest of the detectives.

Why do you think you dismissed that part of this Apple?

But I especially want to thank you for taking this opportunity to publically share yet another one of your sexual fantasies about bad boys and mistresses. I know I really appreciated that.
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Law and Order? :palm:

I was referring to something a little more realistic, something along the lines of a news program like 60 Minutes or The Fifth Estate (Canadian).

As for calling from the Police station I did not dismiss that. The fact is I specifically mentioned that by writing, "From my understanding detectives take note of a person’s demeanor when questioning them. Perhaps they felt her “reaction” was not appropriate."

Look at the conversation.
Victim: "You do realize that … it's rape."
Suspect: "Yeah, I do."
Victim: "Like in a number of different ways, because I didn't want to do it and because I was intoxicated and because I was afraid."
Suspect: "Yes I do. I know."

It sounds like a casual conversation. Detached from emotion. The Police probably wanted to hear what she would say and how she would react. Maybe when she filed the complaint they noticed a lack of anger or fear?

The Police frequently use clues such as listening to a 911 call. Remember the guy who claimed the gas pedal was stuck on the car he was driving? The Police use those calls to interpret the person's level of anxiety, panic, anger, fear, etc.

The point is the transcript of the call sounds like it lacks emotion and that probably had a lot to do with the detectives dismissing the case.

As I said before I'm not an expert, however, my understanding is rape is a traumatic event and that conversation does not sound like that of a traumatized person. Does it to you?
 
apple0154 said:
Law and Order? :palm:

I was referring to something a little more realistic, something along the lines of a news program like 60 Minutes or The Fifth Estate (Canadian).

As for calling from the Police station I did not dismiss that. The fact is I specifically mentioned that by writing, "From my understanding detectives take note of a person’s demeanor when questioning them. Perhaps they felt her “reaction” was not appropriate."

Look at the conversation.
Victim: "You do realize that … it's rape."
Suspect: "Yeah, I do."
Victim: "Like in a number of different ways, because I didn't want to do it and because I was intoxicated and because I was afraid."
Suspect: "Yes I do. I know."

It sounds like a casual conversation. Detached from emotion. The Police probably wanted to hear what she would say and how she would react. Maybe when she filed the complaint they noticed a lack of anger or fear?

The Police frequently use clues such as listening to a 911 call. Remember the guy who claimed the gas pedal was stuck on the car he was driving? The Police use those calls to interpret the person's level of anxiety, panic, anger, fear, etc.

The point is the transcript of the call sounds like it lacks emotion and that probably had a lot to do with the detectives dismissing the case.

As I said before I'm not an expert, however, my understanding is rape is a traumatic event and that conversation does not sound like that of a traumatized person. Does it to you?
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Firstly, you state that it "does not sound like that of a traumatized person..." however, it doesn't sound like anything because this is a written transcript.

You don't know what she "sounded" like. Emotion and tone are notoriously difficult to discern through the written word. We all know this from our experiences with email misunderstandings, and indeed, even misunderstandings which routinely occur on boards like this one. What we know about this conversation was that the police asked her to call him and get him to admit to the rape. And he did.

Far more important is your assumption that the police were testing the victim.

“The Police probably wanted to hear what she would say and how she would react.”

You have no reason to believe this to be the case. You are projecting your own knee-jerk skeptism of women’s experiences onto the police, and you don’t know what you’re talking about. My own personal experience with detectives is that they believe the woman. They believe the woman because 99 out of a 100 times she’s telling the truth, and they know it. I had a he-said she-said with a old perv (no offense) about five years ago. A man who used to walk his dog right under my bedroom window all of the time, and then one day he stopped me along the walk way and told me he wanted to pay me money to see me with my clothes off. I called the police and a detective came out and he went to the man’s door and the man told him I was making it up. I was standing right outside his fence and could hear it. I had told the detective I didn’t want to press charges (I felt terrible for the perv’s poor wife and was loathe to further humiliate her), but I wanted him to stay away from me. The detective told him to shut the fuck up, just like that. He said, she’s not making it up and if she wanted me to, I’d arrest you right now. Now shut up and stay the f away from her, from her windows, and keep your dog away from her too. And that was not my first, but rather, my second experience with detectives and this category of offense. During both occasions they knew who the problem was.

Cops may be a lot of things, but they deal with sex assault victims, rape apologists like you (and you are one and you have hit every trope of a class A rape apologist in your smarmy answers), and scummy offenders all of the time. They know who to believe.

They wanted a confession and they got one.

Lastly, and this is very important, you are painting victims of sex crimes with a brush broadened by dramatic reenactments. Women react to sex crimes very differently. Much like men react to a violent crimes committed against their persons differently. Women and men. Both human. All individuals.

There is no script.

In the blogosphere, there are many sites which deal with women’s issues, including of course, sex assault. On some of these sites, they have something called trigger warnings. Some rape victims prefer to be warned if a particular story they are linking to includes descriptions of a sex assault.
However, some sites, many sites, do not use trigger warnings, and these sites are preferred by many victims of sex assault because they feel that they are being infantilized at the trigger sites. Many women who have been sexually assaulted do not like and take great offense at being treated like broken dolls.

They don’t have to perform for you like a monkey. Cry, and shake, and cringe, to gain your sympathy so that maybe you’ll choose to “believe” them. Play the little victim for me sweetie, and if I buy it, I’ll be on your side. No one needs you on their side, this is why we have victim and women’s advocates in this country.

No other victim of violent crime needs to behave in such a manner for you and society to judge. And neither do women.

You apple, are a particularly nasty kind of sexist, because you pretend to put women on a pedestal. You want them to have freedom. Freedom to “show their beauty”. But in fact I know of no man on this board who objectifies women more than you do, and can probably only name two who objectify them as much as you.

Women are not more than human. Women are not less than human. And either position reeks. And so do you.
 
UOTE=Superfreak;718112]poor yurtsie.... upset that we mock him for his love and defense of rapists. STILL trying to say this guy 'might not be a rapist'... now hedging to say it is really really REALLY unlikely, but he just 'might not be a rapist'.... again, despite the FACT that he IS a RAPIST.
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you've lost some serious credibility with your spazz attack in this thread....you don't normally lie, so i have no idea whether you're lying on purpose or you're just so irrationally spazzing you don't realize that you're lying.

"now hedging"....that is a total lie, i've always maintained he is very likely guilty, hence why i wanted to take the guy to court, yet you did not. it is totally irrational for you to claim i love and defend rapists...this is so stupid of you, its like you've entered the twilight zone....i want to prosecute the guy and this somehow means i am defending and loving rapists, but you don't want to take the guy to court....think about how stupid you sound

Then poor little yurtsie continues on by trying to project his love of the rapist onto others. It is not a question of 'not wanting to try him' yurtsie. We simply made the point that there is not likely enough EVIDENCE that can be used in court to convict him. THAT is why the DA did not file charges and likely why her attorney did not file the motion to compel. BUT dearest little yurtsie is convinced his law 101 course has him ready to try this guy... no matter what the circumstances. you will make a fine file clerk one day yurtsie.... odds are even you can't fuck that up.
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wow...just wow...your spazz attack is complete....and you once again fail to realize that because her attorney did not file the motion to compel, this was a factor in my concerns regarding whether there was an actual rape. i'm sorry it bothers you that i would make sure if i was the attorney i would do everything in my power to bring the guy to justice....its mind boggling how you think that equals me loving and defending rapists....seriously, this you at yhour stupidest hour

Now yurtsie, do us all a favor and stop showing your undying love for the rapist. You are beginning to sink to the level of the creepy little leg humping stalker we drove from this board.
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you've sunk to a low in this thread superfreak....you've shown that when you can't be honest and admit flaws in your opinion, its much better to lie about your opponent's views and smear him....

what a poor angry little boy you are....try getting laid so we don't have to put up with any more of your embarrassing spazz attacks
 
i hope onceler keeps bumping this thread....maybe if he does it enough times SF will finally see his spazz and regain some credibility :)
 
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