Futuristic Dollar, I'd give it 40 years....

Jarod said:
The specific thing that origionally drew my attention to Presidnet Obama was the fact that he was against the War against Iraq from the start. It was very brave for a polititian or a want to be polititian to take such a stance, and it was the right stance. Many who knew better but were no longer in active politics said so, Brent Scoscroft, Casper Weinberger, ect.

I continued to support him as I liked his plans regarding Healthcare, Education, and Economics.

I belive he has done an amazing job, he got a Health Care bill passed where presidents including Nixon, Teddy Roosevelt failed, and Bill Clinton failed! Many, Many Americans LOVE the Health Care bill, I am one who belives it did not go far enough, but it is a GREAT start. That alone is enough for me to consider him great.

In addition to the above, he has brought the economy from the brink of total dissaster. I belive it was MUCH worse than many acknoledged and that we were close to total meltdown, it did not happen.

Sure Id love a faster recovery, but many will say, slower is likely more sustainable. I dont like how much the government is spending, but honestly I believe it is a necessary evil due to the mess we were put in by the policies the other side would like to return to.

Just four months ago, the right was screaming about how interest rates were going to be out of coutrol and how we were facing a double dip..... Those things did not happen! Looks like the Obama Economic team was pretty strong to prevent such dire predictions...!

On the war, well in the senseless one, the one Obama was against from the start, the major combat operations are finally OVER, troop levels are a fraction of what they were, and there roll is vastly different. That is an achievement!!! IN Afganastan, finally, those who attacked us on 9-11 are feeling the pain, and while men are dying, they are dying for a legitatmate goal and a safer America...!



So, ya, I kinda think he has been one of the Greats thus far....
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wow, I guess if you're gonna indulge in delusions, you might as well go all the way.
 
Jarod said:
I hope you are around in 40 years for my repost of this thread!
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It won't take 40 years to know you are wrong.

We know that today. Based on what we know TODAY... he has NO SHOT at replacing anyone on the currency.

Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Ike, King, Parks, Reagan, Clinton and even Kennedy and FDR are all far ahead of Obama. When you are running neck and neck with Carter and GW Bush as Obama currently is... you have NO shot of being on currency of any sort.

Obama has done nothing but set us up for another fall.

Unemployment still above 9%

Foreclosures still rising

Health care fiasco causing hikes in premiums and an increase to the nations future debt burden

Credit still tight

Obama increasing taxes on small businesses

Obama and the Dems looking to increase taxes on the lower and middle class

yeah... stop pretending he is the One, the reality is he is just another ONE and DONE
 
Jarod said:
Look at J.C.'s numbers, he is pretty popular....

Anyway, my point is that it could turn out that Obama is an awfull president, it will not stop the flood that will result in him being honored big time!
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so in your moronic little world, even if he is an awful President he will be honored?

honored for WHAT?
 
Superfreak said:
so in your moronic little world, even if he is an awful President he will be honored?

honored for WHAT?
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He's the first black president. I think that'll be of some note in history. I'm tempted to add "duh" but I don't want to humiliate you too badly. I know it must have been a while since you've had a good skewering, and you've probably been parading around here like you are some genius because unlike most of what is left here, your IQ is over 75.

Don't count on this consideration all of the time.
 
Darla said:
He's the first black president. I think that'll be of some note in history. I'm tempted to add "duh" but I don't want to humiliate you too badly. I know it must have been a while since you've had a good skewering, and you've probably been parading around here like you are some genius because unlike most of what is left here, your IQ is over 75.

Don't count on this consideration all of the time.
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yes, history will note that he was the first black president... glad you and the other dems are so focused on his race.

But history will not HONOR him and put him on currency as your intellectually superior cohort Jarod has stated.
 
Superfreak said:
that will never.... EVER happen... Obama is one of the worst Presidents in history. There are many far more deserving Presidents (not to mention other leaders) that would be in line ahead of him....

While Jackson is certainly the most vulnerable of the currently pictured Presidents... it won't be Obama that replaces him.
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Definitely get Jackson the fuck off the twenty, but replace him with someone worthwhile like MLK or Andrew Mellon.
 
Darla said:
He's the first black president. I think that'll be of some note in history. I'm tempted to add "duh" but I don't want to humiliate you too badly. I know it must have been a while since you've had a good skewering, and you've probably been parading around here like you are some genius because unlike most of what is left here, your IQ is over 75.

Don't count on this consideration all of the time.
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and like i said, it will be a crowning achievement for liberals to realize that they voted him in for his skin color only and nothing else, like credibility or ability.
 
Superfreak said:
yes, history will note that he was the first black president... glad you and the other dems are so focused on his race.

But history will not HONOR him and put him on currency as your intellectually superior cohort Jarod has stated.
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That's impossible to say. We don't even know whether he'll serve a second term yet, and at this point in his Presidency, Reagan had lower approval ratings. Or at least did a few months ago when I read that. I havent been keeping up with approval ratings lately.

From what I have read, historians say now that he will rate highly because he stopped a depression and his health care plan will have brought Americans close to universal coverage. I have many problems with it (I am a single-payer advocate) but having read the history of the new deal initiatives, it's fascinating to see how much programs like SS changed over the years - they originally covered far fewer people. I believe that health care will too, change. It is very similar to so-called "Romneycare" in MA though, and regardless of what you read right wingers say, there is no support for overturning that in MA. Tells you something.

Either way, two years in?

This is all speculation.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
and like i said, it will be a crowning achievement for liberals to realize that they voted him in for his skin color only and nothing else, like credibility or ability.
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I was joking with SF - although of course, the first black president will be of historical note.

I voted for Obama because I support the Democratic platform (though it is nowhere near liberal enough for me), and consider the Republican platform to be offensive lunacy.

I would have voted for the Democrat if they were green and John McCain was a black woman.

So, you are a bit off base, but that doesn't stop most people around here, feel free to keep going.
 
Superfreak said:
We will see.... as of right now it will happen. As of right now, the Dems are running from the issue...
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Wow, so it's now NOT a lie to claim that your ridiculous prediction of what will happen HAS happened? You're just full of shit, SF.

The Republicans have established Sarah Palin as president for life and made the United States a theocracy. How could you vote for them after that?
 
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John Kennedy had barely enough time to accomplish anything while in office. He had very little effect on the nation, yet, because he was killed, almost every city has a JFK Street of Blvd.

And he is on the 50 Cent piece.
 
MakeMeASandwichBitch said:
Wow, so it's now NOT a lie to claim that your ridiculous prediction of what will happen HAS happened? You're just full of shit, SF.

The Republicans have established Sarah Palin as president for life and made the United States a theocracy. How could you vote for them after that?
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1) AS OF RIGHT NOW.... the Bush tax cuts will expire. Thus, as of right now, the Dems are allowing the taxes to increase on the lower and middle income families, despite their pledges to not raise taxes on under $250k.

2) AS OF RIGHT NOW.... all the talk that I have seen is about extending the Bush tax brackets. (which I wouldn't think would affect the lower and middle class at all since the Bush tax cuts only went to the wealthy) There are other items that greatly benefit the lower/middle income families that are set to expire. To date, I have not seen (this does not mean they don't exist) any proposals that address those issues.... at ALL.

3) You are going to see exactly how many breaks the low and middle income families got.... despite the chanting from your Dem masters that the tax cuts were only for the wealthy.
 
Jarod said:
John Kennedy had barely enough time to accomplish anything while in office. He had very little effect on the nation, yet, because he was killed, almost every city has a JFK Street of Blvd.

And he is on the 50 Cent piece.
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ROFLMAO....

YOU proclaim Obama has done 'great things' and should be put on the $20, then proclaim Kennedy 'barely had enough time to accomplish anything'????

KENNEDY SERVED AS PRESIDENT LONGER THAN OBAMA HAS THUS FAR YOU MORON.
 
Jarod said:
John Kennedy had barely enough time to accomplish anything while in office. He had very little effect on the nation, yet, because he was killed, almost every city has a JFK Street of Blvd.

And he is on the 50 Cent piece.
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Maybe the 'face on money' motive was Oswald's inspiration (or that of the other chap on the knoll)?
 
Superfreak said:
ROFLMAO....

YOU proclaim Obama has done 'great things' and should be put on the $20, then proclaim Kennedy 'barely had enough time to accomplish anything'????

KENNEDY SERVED AS PRESIDENT LONGER THAN OBAMA HAS THUS FAR YOU MORON.
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I never said that Obama should be put on the $20, you liar.


And I did not say Obama would be honored for what he has done in office, that was my point. Kennedy is not honored for what he did in office, other than die... And Obama will be honored regardless of what he does in office not for things he does in office...

You really seem to have a reading comprehension problem! Thats my exact, point these men will be honored, but not necessarly for what they have done as president!
 
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