‘Kill Everybody’: Hegseth Reportedly Ordered SEAL Team 6 to Leave No Survivors After Caribbean Boat Strike

[serendipity]

I will make it a point to remind the next administration that he should be handed over to the ICC.

The ICC has absolutely no jurisdiction over the US ffs!

 

[Damocles]

In international waters, the military is the tool for this. Now what?

Not really. The military is almost never the tool for law enforcement, it is a tool of war not enforcement. I suppose it depends on how you view these things. I do not believe that Trump has done enough to convince people that drug cartels are "terrorist organizations"... as I said I am uncomfortable with this, just as I was with Obama using drones to kill US citizens he didn't like so long as they weren't here in the US...

We, the public, were assured that our national command authorities had the evidence and that it was conclusive. What more are you saying that you need short of the classified intelligence itself being released to the public?

I am saying we need to better understand what our government does in our name. Simply saying, "Trust us" is not good enough.

I get it. I have seen the same. Our government is not trying to hide the shootdown. Our government is being open and forthright, even sharing videos of the endgame. Are you suggesting that the US should not defend itself against narcotraffickers? If your position is that the US should certainly defend itself, then blowing the fuck out the enemy is what the military does and is what should be expected. Have you ever questioned US Naval intelligence before?

I am saying we need more understanding as to why we now believe that law enforcement is now summary execution rather than working with other governments to incarcerate offenders.

The US Navy has been defending the US for a long time and I don't recall you complaining previously that more information was needed for the Navy to do what it does. Have you ever demanded that the US Navy secure warrants before engaging an enemy?

The US Navy does not summarily execute people. Shoot, even when the Houthis were shooting at them they did not shoot back because they had no orders to do so. The comparison is childlike, you can do better than this.

Everyone should care. That's the crux of the matter. If the US Navy tells your ship to stop, you stop. If you moon the US Navy and keep evading, you get the fuck blown out of you.

That is not how this works, as I noted earlier even when being under fire the US Navy shows restraint because their actions can start wars. They are under direction to wait for orders not summarily execute people that you decide are bad.

Yes, it's everything.


In international waters, yes. Not only would that be good enough to warrant a shoot-down, it is the only possible response.

That is not true at all. Just shooting down boats and planes because they aren't you and won't do what you want where you have no authority is not "the only possible response".

Let me ask you, should the police just not enforce the law if the violator simply refuses to be aprehended?


Answering for a friend.

The police should not use tanks to blow up cars of people who don't stop, nor do they. They do not just kill people for driving away from them.

 

[IBDaMann]

Not really.

Yes. In international waters, the Navy and warfare are the US' law enforcement.

The military is almost never the tool for law enforcement,

Correct. Totally stipulated. MOST US law enforcement is performed domestically, by police and FBI and DEA, etc on land and Coast Guard in littoral waters.

Now we have to address the exception, i.e. threats in international waters. Here, the Coast Guard cannot operate. The Navy is our law enforcement in such sectors, but law enforcement there follows the rules of naval warfare. There are no warrants, there is only Defense War intelligence.

When the US Navy orders a boat to stop, it needs to stop. It is absurd to argue that any boat that attempts to flee, because they've been caught red-handed loaded with illegal contraband, is therefore justified in not stopping as ordered.

Now that the US has destroyed several drug boats, we can see if the drug trafficking tapers.

I do not believe that Trump has done enough to convince people that drug cartels are "terrorist organizations"...

The people who elected Trump on his promise to shut down the flow of drugs are already convinced and don't need Trump to tell us more of what we already know.

as I said I am uncomfortable with this, just as I was with Obama using drones to kill US citizens he didn't like so long as they weren't here in the US...

What would you have the Navy do? Remember, We the People have given Trump a mandate to shut down the flow of drugs. The Navy gets conclusive Intel that certain boats are packed with drugs. The Navy orders those boats to halt and be boarded for inspection. Knowing that the jig is up because they are, in fact, loaded with contraband, they attempt to flee, to bring the drugs into the US at another time and place. What would you order the Navy to do? Let them leave?

I am saying we need to better understand what our government does in our name. Simply saying, "Trust us" is not good enough.

What would you have them do short of revealing classified information?

I am saying we need more understanding as to why we now believe that law enforcement is now summary execution

They tried to flee with the contraband, to try a different time and place to bring it into the US. What is the Navy to do?

rather than working with other governments to incarcerate offenders.

Venezuela is the exception. Maduro is the one running the drugs.

The US Navy does not summarily execute people.

I hate to splash you with cold water, but that is precisely what a military does if deterrence fails.

even when being under fire the US Navy shows restraint

Only when so ordered. Otherwise the Navy is authorized to defend itself to the fullest extent of their capability.

 

[Lionfish]

FAFO

 

[Jake Starkey]

BREAKING: HE’S GUILTY! A group of top former US military lawyers declare that Pete Hegseth committed murder and call on US military officers to DISOBEY his illegal orders!

The “former JAGs Working Group” was formed in response to Hegseth’s firing of top military lawyers in February of this year, and they just issued a joint statement in which they declared: “The Former JAGs Working Group unanimously considers both the giving and the execution of these orders, if true, to constitute war crimes, murder, or both.”'[“If the U.S. military operation is not an armed conflict of any kind, these orders to kill helpless civilians clinging to the wreckage of a vessel our military destroyed would subject everyone from SECDEF down to the individual who pulled the trigger to prosecution under U.S. law for murder.”

“We call upon Congress to investigate and the American people to oppose any use of the U.S. military that involves the intentional targeting of anyone – enemy combatants, non-combatants, or civilians –rendered hors de combat (‘out of the fight’) as a result of their wounds or the destruction of the ship or aircraft carrying them.”

“We also advise our fellow citizens that orders like those described above are the kinds of ‘patently illegal orders’ all military members have a duty to disobey.”

The group made it clear that these orders were carried out BECAUSE Hegseth worked so hard to tear down the legal guardrails keeping illegal orders from being given.

Trump’s lawlessness extends to every part of the government, and it’s terrifying to think of where this could go now that Hegseth has let illegal murder out of the box.

That’s why it’s so important that we prosecute him IMMEDIATELY and put an end to this madness as soon as possible.

 

[Nomad]

... then you've got nothing.

You ARE nothing

You don't have any.

You don't have any decency or integrity.

Letitia James' lawfare was totally bogus and the fines were eventually tossed. You put your own immirality on display for supporting the indefensible lawfare of that level of tyranny.

The appeals court upheld Trump's liability but voided the penalty as excessive.

IOW, he's still guilty

The Supreme Court will be vacating the ridiculous E. Jean Carrol awards. You've got nothing.

Once again, Madame BDaMoron gazes into her crystal ball and farts a prediction of the future out of her ass!!!

So, get back to the list. Give me the top ten law violations that Trump has committed.

I gave you 34 CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS and 2 civil judgements.

Fuck you - you lose.

You haven't stopped pivoting and have never started being honest.

Typical and tired old trumper tactic.

Accuse your opponent of what we all know you are guilty of.

Nope. I don't want to see anyone die. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a leftist. I am not affiliated with the party of death.

Liar. You shit yourself with glee every time some A-Rab or Mex-ee-kin gets blown away by one of trump's thug assassins.

Remind me when you became empowered to declare what is important to me.

The instant you became empowered to declare what I supposedly support.

Fuck you.

You have a shitty view of foreigners. You treat them as subhuman. You write like a privileged person whose bigotry is on full display.

Nobody takes your desperate pot/kettle nonsense seriously.

I hate to interrupt your raving, but please get back to the topic. You were explaining why the US federal government shouldn't protect Americans from international threats. You were explaining how you HATE America and Americans. Please continue elaborating.

You're a lying pile of festering garbage who is so bereft of a coherent argument that you resort to word games and twisting reality.

Thank your idol, Joseph Goebbels.

 

[Stone]

BREAKING: HE’S GUILTY! A group of top former US military lawyers declare that Pete Hegseth committed murder and call on US military officers to DISOBEY his illegal orders!

The “former JAGs Working Group” was formed in response to Hegseth’s firing of top military lawyers in February of this year, and they just issued a joint statement in which they declared: “The Former JAGs Working Group unanimously considers both the giving and the execution of these orders, if true, to constitute war crimes, murder, or both.”'[“If the U.S. military operation is not an armed conflict of any kind, these orders to kill helpless civilians clinging to the wreckage of a vessel our military destroyed would subject everyone from SECDEF down to the individual who pulled the trigger to prosecution under U.S. law for murder.”

“We call upon Congress to investigate and the American people to oppose any use of the U.S. military that involves the intentional targetintruction of the ship or aircraft carrying them.”

“We also advise our fellow citizens that orders like those described above are the kinds of ‘patently illegal orders’ all military members have a duty to disobey.”

The group made it clear that these orders were carried out BECAUSE Hegseth worked so hard to tear down the legal guardrails keeping illegal orders from being given.

Trump’s lawlessness extends to every part of the government, and it’s terrifying to think of where this could go now that Hegseth has let illegal murder out of the box.

That’s why it’s so important that we prosecute him IMMEDIATELY and put an end to this madness as soon as possible.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Trump is liable, yes, and he will pay a large penalty.

He lost, MAGA. He lost. Again.

 

[AProudLefty]

He just did! Too funny! Learn English.

Where?

 

[Maze]

Watch they don't do anything about it again.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I could go fast to my fishing spot and fish from it.

Did you do that with 2,000 lbs. of "cargo" in drums and no fishing gear on the boat?

 

[Damocles]

Did you do that with 2,000 lbs. of "cargo" in drums and no fishing gear on the boat?

I hope to go quickly back with 2,000 pounds of fish in drums... You asked "what else could these boats be used for" and I told you it's a frickin' boat they can be used for whatever they want to use them for... usually you use them to travel on water.

 

[Earl]

Children are being killed by drugs brought into America by narco-terrorists.

We elected a president to stop the flow of drugs.

Most Americans are not concerned with the niceties of international law when it comes to the death of their children.

We are concerned with saving the lives of our children, our citizens.

Most presidents have stretched the limits of the niceties of law when trying to protect the people.

I do not give a rat’s culo if these narco-terrorists are not given their Miranda rights. They are not American citizens. To Hell with them.

 

[Maze]

Children are being killed by drugs brought into America by narco-terrorists.

We elected a president to stop the flow of drugs.

Most Americans are not concerned with the niceties of international law when it comes to the death of their children.

We are concerned with saving the lives of our children, our citizens.

Most presidents have stretched the limits of the niceties of law when trying to protect the people.

I do not give a rat’s culo if these narco-terrorists are not given their Miranda rights. They are not American citizens. To Hell with them.

 

[Earl]

Don’t worry, lost in a corn maze, enough drugs will get through to keep you supplied.

 

[Maze]

Don’t worry, lost in a corn maze, enough drugs will get through to keep you supplied.

Thanks to trump? LOL nah i'll let you magats and your drug-seeking kids have at it. Careful with the fentanyl, that shit will kill you. Good riddance!

 

[Jake Starkey]

So why would Donald Trump detest John McCane, you figure it out, Trump supporter?

You do not, if you are aware of what the meaning if is is Trump et al in charge of our military.

 

[Earl]

Thanks to trump? LOL nah i'll let you magats and your drug-seeking kids have at it. Careful with the fentanyl, that shit will kill you. Good riddance!

Take a hike, pendejo.

You far left loons are supporting drug dealing terrorists.

Democrats are embracing criminality, as usual.

 

[Earl]

So why would Donald Trump detest John McCane, you figure it out, Trump supporter?

You do not, if you are aware of what the meaning if is is Trump et al in charge of our military.

Try English next time, pendejo.

It’s John McCain, dummy.

 

[Maze]

Take a hike, pendejo.

You far left loons are supporting drug dealing terrorists.

Democrats are embracing criminality, as usual.

You are hilariously always wrong.