Libturds crying about food prices associated with a holiday they claim not to celebrate!

Stone said:
Exactly my point,....thanks! :cool: Oh,....so are you claiming that you have never seen any LWers in here and in other places telling people that they do not celebrate Thanksgiving and they think nobody else should either? Let me know so we can fill this place with enuff examples to overload the server! :ROFLMAO:
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No. I've never seen that. Seems like that moonshine you've been sipping on was made with lead piping my friend. Put the bottle down, come out for some fresh air. You'll be fine.
 
Signalmankenne posted:


Instead, we should atone for the genocide that was incited -- and condoned -- by the very men we idolize as our 'heroic' founding fathers.

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Not only is the thought of such a change in this white-supremacist holiday impossible to imagine, but the very mention of the idea sends most Americans into apoplectic fits -- which speaks volumes about our historical hypocrisy and its relation to the contemporary politics of empire in the United States.

That the world's great powers achieved "greatness" through criminal brutality on a grand scale is not news, of course. That those same societies are reluctant to highlight this history of barbarism also is predictable.

But in the United States, this reluctance to acknowledge our original sin -- the genocide of indigenous people -- is of special importance today. It's now routine -- even among conservative commentators -- to describe the United States as an empire, so long as everyone understands we are an inherently benevolent one. Because all our history contradicts that claim, history must be twisted and tortured to serve the purposes of the powerful.

One vehicle for taming history is various patriotic holidays, with Thanksgiving at the heart of U.S. myth-building. From an early age, we Americans hear a story about the hearty Pilgrims, whose search for freedom took them from England to Massachusetts. There, aided by the friendly Wampanoag Indians, they survived in a new and harsh environment, leading to a harvest feast in 1621 following the Pilgrims first winter.

Some aspects of the conventional story are true enough. But it's also true that by 1637 Massachusetts Gov. John Winthrop was proclaiming a thanksgiving for the successful massacre of hundreds of Pequot Indian men, women and children, part of the long and bloody process of opening up additional land to the English invaders. The pattern would repeat itself across the continent until between 95 and 99 percent of American Indians had been exterminated and the rest were left to assimilate into white society or die off on reservations, out of the view of polite society.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

The first president, George Washington, in 1783 said he preferred buying Indians' land rather than driving them off it because that was like driving "wild beasts" from the forest. He compared Indians to wolves, "both being beasts of prey, tho' they differ in shape."

Thomas Jefferson -- president #3 and author of the Declaration of Independence, which refers to Indians as the "merciless Indian Savages" -- was known to romanticize Indians and their culture, but that didn't stop him in 1807 from writing to his secretary of war that in a coming conflict with certain tribes, "[W]e shall destroy all of them."

As the genocide was winding down in the early 20th century, Theodore Roosevelt (president #26) defended the expansion of whites across the continent as an inevitable process "due solely to the power of the mighty civilized races which have not lost the fighting instinct, and which by their expansion are gradually bringing peace into the red wastes where the barbarian peoples of the world hold sway."

Roosevelt also once said, "I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."

How does a country deal with the fact that some of its most revered historical figures had certain moral values and political views virtually identical to Nazis? Here's how "respectable" politicians, pundits, and professors play the game: When invoking a grand and glorious aspect of our past, then history is all-important. We are told how crucial it is for people to know history, and there is much hand wringing about the younger generations' lack of knowledge about, and respect for, that history.

In the United States, we hear constantly about the deep wisdom of the founding fathers, the adventurous spirit of the early explorers, the gritty determination of those who "settled" the country -- and about how crucial it is for children to learn these things.

But when one brings into historical discussions any facts and interpretations that contest the celebratory story and make people uncomfortable -- such as the genocide of indigenous people as the foundational act in the creation of the United States -- suddenly the value of history drops precipitously and one is asked, "Why do you insist on dwelling on the past?"

This is the mark of a well-disciplined intellectual class -- one that can extol the importance of knowing history for contemporary citizenship and, at the same time, argue that we shouldn't spend too much time thinking about history.

This off-and-on engagement with history isn't of mere academic interest; as the dominant imperial power of the moment, U.S. elites have a clear stake in the contemporary propaganda value of that history. Obscuring bitter truths about historical crimes helps perpetuate the fantasy of American benevolence, which makes it easier to sell contemporary imperial adventures -- such as the invasion and occupation of Iraq -- as another benevolent action.

Any attempt to complicate this story guarantees hostility from mainstream culture. After raising the barbarism of America's much-revered founding fathers in a lecture, I was once accused of trying to "humble our proud nation" and "undermine young people's faith in our country."

Yes, of course -- that is exactly what I would hope to achieve. We should practice the virtue of humility and avoid the excessive pride that can, when combined with great power, lead to great abuses of power.

History does matter, which is why people in power put so much energy into controlling it. The United States is hardly the only society that has created such mythology. While some historians in Great Britain continue to talk about the benefits that the empire brought to India, political movements in India want to make the mythology of Hindutva into historical fact.

Abuses of history go on in the former empire and the former colony. History can be one of the many ways we create and impose hierarchy, or it can be part of a process of liberation. The truth won't set us free, but the telling of truth at least opens the possibility of freedom.

As Americans sit down on Thanksgiving Day to gorge themselves on the bounty of empire, many will worry about the expansive effects of overeating on their waistlines. We would be better to think about the constricting effects of the day's mythology on our minds.

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Earl said:
Do atheists celebrate Thanksgiving, a religious holiday?
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I know plenty who do, and plenty who do not see it as a religious holiday.

It sure has some themes that come from religion, but they are not exclusive to religion.

It’s an American holiday, not specifically a religious one. I know atheists who celebrate Christmas and Easter which are “religious” holidays.

Easter comes from Pagan roots.
 
Jarod said:
I know plenty who do, and plenty who do not see it as a religious holiday.

It sure has some themes that come from religion, but they are not exclusive to religion.

It’s an American holiday, not specifically a religious one. I know atheists who celebrate Christmas and Easter which are “religious” holidays.

Easter comes from Pagan roots.
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The Meaning of Thanksgiving Day and History of the Holiday​

As Christians, we can reclaim Thanksgiving. Rather than just being a day where we eat too much and strategize our Black Friday sales plan of attack, we can go back to our historical and spiritual roots as we give thanks to God.

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What is Thanksgiving? It's Meaning and Why We Celebrate

Discover the Thanksgiving holiday date for 2024 plus the history and meaning of this beloved historical tradition in America. Bonus Bible verses about giving thanks and remembering the blessings of God!
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Earl said:

The Meaning of Thanksgiving Day and History of the Holiday​

As Christians, we can reclaim Thanksgiving. Rather than just being a day where we eat too much and strategize our Black Friday sales plan of attack, we can go back to our historical and spiritual roots as we give thanks to God.

www.christianity.com

What is Thanksgiving? It's Meaning and Why We Celebrate

Discover the Thanksgiving holiday date for 2024 plus the history and meaning of this beloved historical tradition in America. Bonus Bible verses about giving thanks and remembering the blessings of God!
www.christianity.com www.christianity.com
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That is one way to see it, however it’s clearly not exclusive to Christians. Many, including me, believe the themes are universal to humanity.
 
Jarod said:
That is one way to see it, however it’s clearly not exclusive to Christians.
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Who do you beady eyed heathens give thanks to?

Bigfoot?

The name of the holiday is T h a n k s g I v i n g. Day.

There is another religious holiday, C H R I STmas.
 
Earl said:
Who do you beady eyed heathens give thanks to?

Bigfoot?
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There are plenty of things non-Christians can give thanks to, the human spirit, natures bounty, the First Amendment, Allah, Christian charity, Bigfoot if you believe he somehow provides, I can go on and on.
 
Jarod said:
There are plenty of things non-Christians can give thanks to, the human spirit, natures bounty, the First Amendment, Allah, Christian charity, Bigfoot if you believe he somehow provides, I can go on and on.
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Don’t bother.

Thanksgiving is not the heathens’ holiday.

It’s a Christian holiday.

Who do you think provides for nature’s bounties?
 
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Earl said:
Don’t bother.

Thanksgiving is not the heathens’ holiday.

It’s a Christian holiday.

Who do you think provides for natures bounties?
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I believe it’s part of nature and consistent with major religions.

I do not believe it’s exclusive to Christian’s.

Many humans believe nature is provided by a variety of entities or simply a natural phenomenon that we should give thanks for.

I respect that you give thanks to a Christian God, that is awesome, I also respect others who give thanks. To me it’s the act of giving thanks, and the humility that allows giving thanks that matters.
 
TOP said:
And how is that possible?
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Human nature, in my opinion.

We have evolved into beings that can have introspection and the humility to see that we are provided opportunity, by nature or our spirit or a supreme being, or the by being connected to the universe.

It really does not matter to me what concept you use to get there. They all seem to have the capacity to getting to thankfulness.
 
The fact of Creation proves the fact of a creator.

The beady eyed heathens can dance around Bigfoot but Christians celebrate Thanksgiving and give thanks to their creator for all the bounty that is provided.
 
Jarod said:
Human nature, in my opinion.

We have evolved into beings that can have introspection and the humility to see that we are provided opportunity, by nature or our spirit or a supreme being, or the by being connected to the universe.
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And how is human nature possible?
Jarod said:
Human nature, in my opinion.

We have evolved into beings that can have introspection and the humility to see that we are provided opportunity, by nature or our spirit or a supreme being, or the by being connected to the universe.

It really does not matter to my what concept you use to get there. They all seem to have the capacity to getting to thankfulness.
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All i'm asking is how is any of that possible... If we are evolving , we had to start somewhere.... Where did thIs all begin?
 
Stone said:
Exactly my point,....thanks! :cool: Oh,....so are you claiming that you have never seen any LWers in here and in other places telling people that they do not celebrate Thanksgiving and they think nobody else should either? Let me know so we can fill this place with enuff examples to overload the server! :ROFLMAO:
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Never have but I don't doubt that among the vast majority there are abstainers; there are abstainers about everything. A normal state of things.
 
TOP said:
And how is human nature possible?
All i'm asking is how is any of that possible... If we are evolving , we had to start somewhere.... Where did thIs all begin?
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Many people have different ideas as to how it’s possible, I respect them.

That is why it’s not exclusively a Christian holiday.
 
Earl said:

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Food inflation is going down, Thumper.​

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Cost of Thanksgiving Dinner Declines | News Release​

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American Farm Bureau Federation
https://www.fb.org › news-release › cost-of-thanksgivin...




7 days ago — The average price for a 16-pound frozen turkey is $21.50. That is $1.34 per pound, downmore than 16% from last year. While the wholesale price ...

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Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com › thanksgiving-dinner-now...




2 days ago — The organization reports the average price of a traditional Thanksgiving dinner for 10 people will cost $55.18, 5 percent less than in 2024 and ...

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New York Post
https://nypost.com › 2025/11/22 › lifestyle › new-data-...




4 days ago — The AFBF pegs the average nationwide cost lower at $55.18, or about $5.52 per person — down 5% from last year, but still roughly 13% higher than ...

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NPR
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2 days ago — Costs are down for stuffing, dinner rolls and pie crust. Not the sweet potatoes, though. Falling wheat prices have also led to lower costs for
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Earl, sorry to say, but, I sure don't see any evidence of that.
 
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