Did the GOP just get sandbagged by the Dems on the shutdown

zymurgy said:
you are a moron.

eliminating private insurance companies means we are on a single payer plan where the insurer is the government.
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only for people who get health stamps.

this is a way to introduce appropriate price discovery into the healthcare system.

sorry fascist, games over, the moose outside should have told you.

food stamps don't mean grocery shopping is "single payer".

there is competition amongst grocery stores to harness the benefits of free market systems, EVEN THOUGH food stamps exist.



it is suspicious that your name sounds like a New drug for black lesbian diabetes.

do not take zymurgy if you're allergic to zymurgy or any of it's ingredients.
 
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Freddy Figbottom said:
most dems seem upset.

are most Dems not upset?

are you proferring an argument?
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They are not cult robots like you trump minions

It’s was not a perfect choice

But it was the best choice

Now on to the Epstein files

Once this criminal gang running our government currently is frog marched away
We will fix everything

We have a chance to do the truely smart and decent thing with our entire system

Roll up your selves and get your thinking hats on people
 
evince said:
They are not cult robots like you trump minions

It’s was not a perfect choice

But it was the best choice

Now on to the Epstein files

Once this criminal gang running our government currently is frog marched away
We will fix everything

We have a chance to do the truely smart and decent thing with our entire system

Roll up your selves and get your thinking hats on people
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they are cult robots.

they were the deranged parent holding the baby hostage.
 
Freddy Figbottom said:
yes.

you're a corporatist who hates free markets and the advantages thereof.

fascism, in other words.
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you clowns have egg on your face again

50 year mortage - what a great "free market" concept you shit heads keep suggesting

in an actual free market, we pretty much exclusively used short term balloon loans to finance home ownership - for reasons an imbecile like you wouldn't understand

now look at your shit heads and your newest crazy bullshit
 
zymurgy said:
you clowns have egg on your face again

50 year mortage - what a great "free market" concept you shit heads keep suggesting

in an actual free market, we pretty much exclusively used short term balloon loans to finance home ownership - for reasons an imbecile like you wouldn't understand

now look at your shit heads and your newest crazy bullshit
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are banker bailouts free market?
 
zymurgy said:
you clowns have egg on your face again

50 year mortage - what a great "free market" concept you shit heads keep suggesting

in an actual free market, we pretty much exclusively used short term balloon loans to finance home ownership - for reasons an imbecile like you wouldn't understand

now look at your shit heads and your newest crazy bullshit
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what's wrong with a 50 year mortgage?

considering increased lifespans it seems reasonable.

along with booting insurance companies from the healthcare chain.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
There is a lot of gnashing of teeth and moaning by the left about how the Dems caved to allow the shutdown to end. But is that really the case?

At the moment, the details of the continuing resolution (CR) the Senate will pass to end the shut down aren't completely known. What is known is that it won't be the exact bill passed by the house. This is what the NYTimes is reporting about the bill:
The compromise measure includes a spending package that would fund the government through January, as well as three separate spending bills to cover programs related to agriculture, military construction and legislative agencies for most of 2026. The package also includes a provision that would reverse layoffs of federal workers made during the shutdown and ensure retroactive pay.
It has also been reported that the CR will last through Jan 31. Another part of the deal is that Thune promised the Dems that he would bring up a bill to reinstate the ACA subsidies sometime before the end of December.

This could have several great results for the Dems.
1. The House will have to vote on this bill from the Senate which will result in seating the 218 House member signing on to force the vote to release the Epstein files. Imagine the GOP being forced to vote on the record to NOT release the files after demands from their base for that to happen.
2. The House will actually have to pass the Senate bill without changes and Trump will have to sign it. Failure of either of those will result in clear blame for the GOP. The Dems in the Senate are not required to vote for any House changes to the bill.
3. Trump will have to sign the bill that revokes all the firings his administration is doing in the last month making Trump look weak.
4. This gives the GOP only until the end of January to pass all the appropriation bills which they have not been able to pass so far. With taking weeks off for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years, they will likely only have about 4 weeks to pass those bills. If they don't pass them, they will have to try to pass another CR before the end of January to prevent another partial shutdown.
5. If another shutdown occurs not only will it clearly be the fault of the GOP, but the current legislation funds SNAP through the agriculture funding through the end of the year so that will not be a problem for Dems during a future shutdown. They will have no reason to compromise next shutdown.
6. If Thune reneges on his promise to allow a vote on the Dem bill, the Dems can point to that as proof that the GOP can not be trusted.
7. The increases in health insurance costs will be in place and the GOP will have either voted to not prevent it or avoided addressing the issue at all making them solely responsible.

The only way the GOP can possibly save themselves is to somehow prevent a shutdown next year by passing appropriations that they can defend. In order to get that through the Senate they will more than likely have to be through the reconciliation process which clearly places all the blame on the GOP for anything that is unpopular.

Personally, I don't see any way for the GOP to avoid another shutdown in February of next year without them giving some major concessions to the Democrats. Voters may not remember the shutdown from a year ago next November, but if there is an extended shutdown in February they certainly will remember and know exactly who is to blame.
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I cannot believe the 8 Dems. who caved actually read what they voted for. These hidden issues are troubling.

  • Key Legal Suit Issues in the Senate Bill
    • Senators' Right to Sue over Secret Subpoenas: A provision included in the recent government funding bill, which passed the Senate on November 10, 2025, specifically allows U.S. Senators to sue the government if their phone data or records are secretly subpoenaed by federal law enforcement (such as the Justice Department under Special Counsel Jack Smith) without their knowledge.
      • Controversy: This provision is controversial, with critics, including some House Democrats, calling it "blatantly corrupt" and arguing it inappropriately treats lawmakers differently from the rest of the public when facing law enforcement action. It also excludes members of the House of Representatives from the same protection.
      • Legal Implications: The bill's language is designed to prevent the government from using defenses like qualified or sovereign immunity to fight such lawsuits, potentially making it easier for senators to win damages.
    • Potential Ban on Hemp-Derived THC Products: An amendment in the same Senate funding bill would change the definition of hemp to exclude products with synthetically produced cannabinoids or over a minimal threshold of THC (0.4 milligram per container).
      • Legal Challenges: This has sparked significant opposition from the hemp industry, which argues the new definition would eliminate 95% of their market and lead to immediate legal challenges from businesses that have operated legally under the 2018 Farm Bill's provisions.
  • Citizen Suits under the Clean Air Act: Separately, legislation (S. 3049, the Fair Air Enforcement Act) has been introduced by Senator Mike Lee to eliminate citizen suits under the federal Clean Air Act (CAA).
    • Legal Impact: This bill aims to repeal Section 304 of the CAA, which currently allows citizens to sue entities for violations of the act, a change that would significantly limit the public's ability to enforce environmental regulations through litigation.
 
Freddy Figbottom said:
what's wrong with a 50 year mortgage?

considering increased lifespans it seems reasonable.

along with booting insurance companies from the healthcare chain.
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it would not exist in a free market. When the FHA (initially HOLC) began guaranteeing long-term loans, lenders became willing to offer longer terms because the risk of default was now insured by a government monopoly.
 
zymurgy said:
it would not exist in a free market. When the FHA (initially HOLC) began guaranteeing long-term loans, lenders became willing to offer longer terms because the risk of default was now insured by a government monopoly.
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but you go along with a fascist 30 year mortgage?

why not go to 50?

you're already bent over for fascism.
 
Freddy Figbottom said:
but you go along with a fascist 30 year mortgage?

why not go to 50?

you're already bent over for fascism.
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the 30 year loan also would not exist. neither would a 10 or 15 year. those were born from regulations to the free market

in a free market banks would offer interest only balloon loans for 2-7 years - and the rates would go up substantially as the years of the loan were longer.

Loan to Value would be quite high at 50-60%, as in true capitalism, you save capital

borrowers would instead frequently refinance on short term loans
 
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