SNAP benefits cut!!! Musk gets a trillion dollars!

7% of people in the US are on an Obamacare policy. Another 7% are on expanded Medicaid as part of Obamacare. How can that translate into a general popularity for it? Yea, I get that the Left and their supporters love Obamacare even if they aren't on it.

usafacts.org

The Affordable Care Act and the data: Who is insured and who isn't | USAFacts

More than 45 million people had enrolled in ACA-related insurance plans as of early 2024.
usafacts.org usafacts.org

cei.org

Obamacare’s subsidy cliff: How many enrollees are actually affected? - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Democrats in Congress have put Obamacare front and center in their opposition to the Republicans’ temporary budget. One provision of the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 intended to provide relief during the pandemic expanded the health insurance premium subsidies created by the Affordable Care...
cei.org cei.org

So, any appeal to popularity based on polling is clearly fallacious as most or all of those polled are not recipients of Obamacare policies in one way or another.
 
QP! said:
Do magats like Terry think Trump should deliver on the populist agenda he ran on?

Do they think election have consequences and thus the voters deserve to get what they were promised and want?

Terry would say yes to that, while then saying if the same voters want ObamaCare and or it not to be taken from them without something better being delivered that should be ignored as he says voters do not get what they want and thinks just hand waving and using the words 'fallacy' works in saying no to them.

terry will switch back and forth shamelessly between the two and probably does not realize he is doing it as he is stupid.
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All MAGAts are irrational so it's impossible to predict what wacky shit they believe except that it will be whatever their Orange Jesus is baby-birding into their open mouths.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
7% of people in the US are on an Obamacare policy. Another 7% are on expanded Medicaid as part of Obamacare. How can that translate into a general popularity for it? Yea, I get that the Left and their supporters love Obamacare even if they aren't on it.

usafacts.org

The Affordable Care Act and the data: Who is insured and who isn't | USAFacts

More than 45 million people had enrolled in ACA-related insurance plans as of early 2024.
usafacts.org usafacts.org

cei.org

Obamacare’s subsidy cliff: How many enrollees are actually affected? - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Democrats in Congress have put Obamacare front and center in their opposition to the Republicans’ temporary budget. One provision of the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 intended to provide relief during the pandemic expanded the health insurance premium subsidies created by the Affordable Care...
cei.org cei.org

So, any appeal to popularity based on polling is clearly fallacious as most or all of those polled are not recipients of Obamacare policies in one way or another.
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Because you are stupid i will give you the data...

There are few things in all of politics that enjoy the wide ranging support of the populace that Obamacare does.

I cannot name anything else. Can you Terry? While backing that up with any proof?


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AI Summary:

Polling by most agencies shows that Affordable Care Act (ACA, often called “Obamacare”) enjoys significant support, and that moves to weaken it or let key provisions expire have triggered visible backlash. Below is a summary of what the data show, including nuances.

What the polling shows on ACA popularity​


  1. Overall favorability has grown
    • A recent report from Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) finds that about 64% of U.S. adults hold a favorable opinion of the ACA, while ~35% view it unfavorably. KFF+2Easy Bite News+2
    • In April 2024, KFF reported ~62% favorable vs ~37% unfavorable. Becker's Hospital Review
    • Earlier in the law’s life the support was lower and more divided. For example, a 2016 Pew poll found 48% approved, 47% disapproved. Pew Research Center+1
  2. Support for specific provisions is even stronger, across parties
    • Many Americans — including Republicans and independents — support protections for people with pre-existing conditions, one of the ACA’s key provisions. KFF+1
    • For example, a 2024 KFF poll found two-thirds of the public say it is “very important” to keep guaranteed-issue protections (67%) and community rating (65%) even if they didn’t know they were part of the ACA. KFF
    • A Caring Across Generations poll found that even among Republicans, 62% support Medicaid expansion under the ACA. Caring Across Generations
  3. Bipartisan (or at least multi-party) support for some elements
    • A question on extending ACA marketplace tax-credits in October 2025 found about 78% of adults say Congress should extend the enhanced credits. Breaking down by partisanship: Democrats 92%, independents 82%, Republicans 59%. MishTalk+1
    • On the question of “should Congress extend these tax credits?” that shows a sizeable majority of Republicans support that particular ACA-adjacent policy, which is notable.
 
QP! said:
Because you are stupid i will give you the data...

There are few things in all of politics that enjoy the wide ranging support of the populace that Obamacare does.

I cannot name anything else. Can you Terry? While backing that up with any proof?


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AI Summary:

Polling by most agencies shows that Affordable Care Act (ACA, often called “Obamacare”) enjoys significant support, and that moves to weaken it or let key provisions expire have triggered visible backlash. Below is a summary of what the data show, including nuances.

What the polling shows on ACA popularity​


  1. Overall favorability has grown
    • A recent report from Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) finds that about 64% of U.S. adults hold a favorable opinion of the ACA, while ~35% view it unfavorably. KFF+2Easy Bite News+2
    • In April 2024, KFF reported ~62% favorable vs ~37% unfavorable. Becker's Hospital Review
    • Earlier in the law’s life the support was lower and more divided. For example, a 2016 Pew poll found 48% approved, 47% disapproved. Pew Research Center+1
  2. Support for specific provisions is even stronger, across parties
    • Many Americans — including Republicans and independents — support protections for people with pre-existing conditions, one of the ACA’s key provisions. KFF+1
    • For example, a 2024 KFF poll found two-thirds of the public say it is “very important” to keep guaranteed-issue protections (67%) and community rating (65%) even if they didn’t know they were part of the ACA. KFF
    • A Caring Across Generations poll found that even among Republicans, 62% support Medicaid expansion under the ACA. Caring Across Generations
  3. Bipartisan (or at least multi-party) support for some elements
    • A question on extending ACA marketplace tax-credits in October 2025 found about 78% of adults say Congress should extend the enhanced credits. Breaking down by partisanship: Democrats 92%, independents 82%, Republicans 59%. MishTalk+1
    • On the question of “should Congress extend these tax credits?” that shows a sizeable majority of Republicans support that particular ACA-adjacent policy, which is notable.
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That doesn't address anything I stated.

14% of Americans are covered by Obamacare in some fashion. It is irrelevant if 62% of all Americans favor it when roughly 85% of those polled aren't on an Obamacare plan and likely never will be.

Also I can see the questions asked in the poll are skewed badly in their wording. On your last bullet point, asking the question "Should Congress extend these tax credits?" it isn't stated what kind of money is involved. I bet polling would plummet to highly unfavorable levels if the same people were asked "Should the federal government borrow another $1.5 trillion dollars to prop up Obamacare for a few more years?"

Or, asking the question "Should those making $100,000 or more be given 60 to 80% subsidies on their Obamacare insurance policy?"
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That doesn't address anything I stated.

14% of Americans are covered by Obamacare in some fashion. It is irrelevant if 62% of all Americans favor it when roughly 85% of those polled aren't on an Obamacare plan and likely never will be.

Also I can see the questions asked in the poll are skewed badly in their wording. On your last bullet point, asking the question "Should Congress extend these tax credits?" it isn't stated what kind of money is involved. I bet polling would plummet to highly unfavorable levels if the same people were asked "Should the federal government borrow another $1.5 trillion dollars to prop up Obamacare for a few more years?"

Or, asking the question "Should those making $100,000 or more be given 60 to 80% subsidies on their Obamacare insurance policy?"
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So you ask how ObamaCare can be popular given the factors you cite saying the below

". How can that translate into a general popularity for it?"

And i show you via data and polling how incredibly popular is it... amongst the most popular gov't programs of all time...


And you reply that does not address anything you stated??

Quoting for you the actual metrics and data on how popular it is DOES NOT address your question of 'how does it translate into general popularity"?


Are you deliberately trying to be more and more stupid with every post? Do you have to try or does it happen by default?
 
Althea said:
HSA is totally different, and can only be used in conjunction with certain policies. I have one because I am self employed.

Generally speaking, with a few exceptions, every penny spent on insurance premiums is either pre tax dollars or in most cases can be taken as a tax deduction if you itemize. If an employer offers insurance and you refuse it, typically you pay with post tax dollars and you would have to itemize your taxes to get reimbursement if you purchase health insurance.

High earners might not be able to take an itemized deduction if premium costs are less than 7.5% of AGI. But that deduction is part of all medical costs being deducted. A person whose AGI is $50k/year can deduct all medical expenses (including premiums) over $3500.00 for the year. Coinsurance/deductibles are not what I was referencing. Only premiums. Everyone who uses doctors had OOP expenses that are post tax.
It would make absolutely no sense to refuse pre tax insurance policies from an employer and then go out and purchase insurance in the marketplace. I'm guessing that's rare. In many cases, one spouse will refuse coverage because the other spouse already covers the family.
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Yeah, I'm just paying into our normal (non HSA) insurance right now. One cardiac scare a few months ago - but turned out it was just stress. So I'm just going to wait a few weeks until I'm 65 and sign up for medicare and save $$ on my company's insurance.
 
LurchAddams said:
Yeah, I'm just paying into our normal (non HSA) insurance right now. One cardiac scare a few months ago - but turned out it was just stress. So I'm just going to wait a few weeks until I'm 65 and sign up for medicare and save $$ on my company's insurance.
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Look at the supplement plans too. John Oliver did a bit on them a few weeks back, mainly about how some hook you.

I have Tricare as my supplement and didn’t pay a penny for my cancer treatments, but I also have the best of the Tricare plans so pay there.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Look at the supplement plans too. John Oliver did a bit on them a few weeks back, mainly about how some hook you.

I have Tricare as my supplement and didn’t pay a penny for my cancer treatments, but I also have the best of the Tricare plans so pay there.
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Thanks man. Yeah, since "the word got out" I'm turning 65 I'm getting all kinds of weird mailings. The one mailing I can't ignore is the premium bill HHS just sent me. I'm several weeks away from 65 so I'm perplexed they sent it to me so soon.
 
LurchAddams said:
Yeah, I'm just paying into our normal (non HSA) insurance right now. One cardiac scare a few months ago - but turned out it was just stress. So I'm just going to wait a few weeks until I'm 65 and sign up for medicare and save $$ on my company's insurance.
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You have a small business, with employees? Or are you a sole proprietor like myself?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
7% of people in the US are on an Obamacare policy. Another 7% are on expanded Medicaid as part of Obamacare. How can that translate into a general popularity for it? Yea, I get that the Left and their supporters love Obamacare even if they aren't on it.

usafacts.org

The Affordable Care Act and the data: Who is insured and who isn't | USAFacts

More than 45 million people had enrolled in ACA-related insurance plans as of early 2024.
usafacts.org usafacts.org

cei.org

Obamacare’s subsidy cliff: How many enrollees are actually affected? - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Democrats in Congress have put Obamacare front and center in their opposition to the Republicans’ temporary budget. One provision of the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 intended to provide relief during the pandemic expanded the health insurance premium subsidies created by the Affordable Care...
cei.org cei.org

So, any appeal to popularity based on polling is clearly fallacious as most or all of those polled are not recipients of Obamacare policies in one way or another.
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LMAO. Thanks for illustrating my earlier point to Lurch. You once again don't understand the links you offer. But at least you try.

45 million people are taking advantage of the ACA. What ACA did, was to greatly reduce the number of uninsured in the nation.

The reason everyone loves the ACA, is due to the fact that even EBI has the same improved coverage/protections that all ACA plans do. Why is that so hard for you to figure out?

Medicaid does not mean 'free'. Depending upon your income, you will pay a certain premium. Or nothing if you are poverty stricken.
 
Althea said:
LMAO. Thanks for illustrating my earlier point to Lurch. You once again don't understand the links you offer. But at least you try.

45 million people are taking advantage of the ACA. What ACA did, was to greatly reduce the number of uninsured in the nation.

The reason everyone loves the ACA, is due to the fact that even EBI has the same improved coverage/protections that all ACA plans do. Why is that so hard for you to figure out?

Medicaid does not mean 'free'. Depending upon your income, you will pay a certain premium. Or nothing if you are poverty stricken.
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45 divided by 330 million is 14%. Just what I stated. Half of those (roughly) buy insurance policies which they would do whether Obamacare existed or not as virtually all bought one before Obamacare. That leaves another 23 million moochers on expanded Medicaid who are too fucking lazy, stupid, or mendacious to get a goddamned job and pay for their health insurance.

So, show me a study or poll where those actually buying Obamacare policies on the Obamacare marketplace love Obamacare. I don't give a shit what someone who doesn't use Obamacare, and likely never will, thinks about Obamacare.

And, you are correct. Medicaid isn't "free." It costs almost $900 billion-a-year right now to fund. Those on it aren't paying for it. Everybody else who is productive and paying taxes pays for these leeches to have health insurance.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
45 divided by 330 million is 14%. Just what I stated. Half of those (roughly) buy insurance policies which they would do whether Obamacare existed or not as virtually all bought one before Obamacare. That leaves another 23 million moochers on expanded Medicaid who are too fucking lazy, stupid, or mendacious to get a goddamned job and pay for their health insurance.

So, show me a study or poll where those actually buying Obamacare policies on the Obamacare marketplace love Obamacare. I don't give a shit what someone who doesn't use Obamacare, and likely never will, thinks about Obamacare.

And, you are correct. Medicaid isn't "free." It costs almost $900 billion-a-year right now to fund. Those on it aren't paying for it. Everybody else who is productive and paying taxes pays for these leeches to have health insurance.
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Lies. Before ACA, countless millions of people had no insurance. No...they did not buy insurance.


Stop quoting costs to me. I already schooled you on the 'cost' of employer based plans. So here we are at the beginning, before all of your attempts at distraction. EBI costs the govt. more than $3 trillion over a decade. And that doesn't count coverage for Fed employees.

If you ask anyone in the nation if they were happier before pre existing conditions were covered...I don't think you need polling to answer the question. If you ask them if they prefer to pay for preventive cancer screenings, or have them included an no OOP, I don't think you need polling for the answer. If you ask people if they prefer a maximum annual OOP over an unlimited OOP, I don't think you need polling for the answer.


Everybody 'uses' Obamacare. How many times do I have to tell you that? Only Republicans don't have a favorable view of Obamacare, but do favor the ACA. Because they are too stupid to understand the issue.
 
Althea said:
Lies. Before ACA, countless millions of people had no insurance. No...they did not buy insurance.
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Actually those who had individual policies before Obamacare were forced into buying an Obamacare policy (7% of the population). The only marked increase in coverage of uninsured occurred from expanded Medicaid.

According to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the agency that administers much of the Affordable Care Act, 24.3 million people signed up for ACA plans in 2025, and 22.4 million were eligible for subsidies.
cei.org

Obamacare’s subsidy cliff: How many enrollees are actually affected? - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Democrats in Congress have put Obamacare front and center in their opposition to the Republicans’ temporary budget. One provision of the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 intended to provide relief during the pandemic expanded the health insurance premium subsidies created by the Affordable Care...
cei.org cei.org

So, it is you that is full of shit.
Althea said:
Stop quoting costs to me. I already schooled you on the 'cost' of employer based plans. So here we are at the beginning, before all of your attempts at distraction. EBI costs the govt. more than $3 trillion over a decade. And that doesn't count coverage for Fed employees.
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No, you didn't "school" me. Employer plans cover nearly 90% of the US population. Those aren't part of Obamacare.
Althea said:
If you ask anyone in the nation if they were happier before pre existing conditions were covered...I don't think you need polling to answer the question. If you ask them if they prefer to pay for preventive cancer screenings, or have them included an no OOP, I don't think you need polling for the answer. If you ask people if they prefer a maximum annual OOP over an unlimited OOP, I don't think you need polling for the answer.
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Most of the people buying insurance previously were happier. They could get policies tailored to their needs rather than a 'one-size-fits-all' policy under Obamacare.

If you scroll down in this KFF study, you see a graph where only 20% of buyers in the Obamacare marketplace are satisfied with their plan. That is the worst performance of any type of health insurance currently. Those with serious health issues covered by an Obamacare plan give it an even worse 13% satisfaction rating. That is, the actual users of Obamacare plans think they suck.

www.kff.org

KFF Survey of Consumer Experiences with Health Insurance | KFF

The survey finds nearly six in 10 people with health insurance experienced a problem using their insurance in the past year, with even larger shares reporting problems among people who are sick or who have mental health needs. It includes data for people with different types of coverage...
www.kff.org www.kff.org

Althea said:
Everybody 'uses' Obamacare. How many times do I have to tell you that? Only Republicans don't have a favorable view of Obamacare, but do favor the ACA. Because they are too stupid to understand the issue.
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Only 14% of Americans use Obamacare. Only 7% buy a policy in the marketplace.

After a historic 2024 Open Enrollment period, effectuated enrollment for February 2024 was 20.8 million, the highest point-in-time enrollment observed to that date.

usafacts.org

The Affordable Care Act and the data: Who is insured and who isn't | USAFacts

More than 45 million people had enrolled in ACA-related insurance plans as of early 2024.
usafacts.org usafacts.org

Obamacare made virtually no difference in coverage and if expanded Medicaid is omitted, Obamacare has actually decreased coverage slightly.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually those who had individual policies before Obamacare were forced into buying an Obamacare policy (7% of the population). The only marked increase in coverage of uninsured occurred from expanded Medicaid.

According to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the agency that administers much of the Affordable Care Act, 24.3 million people signed up for ACA plans in 2025, and 22.4 million were eligible for subsidies.
cei.org

Obamacare’s subsidy cliff: How many enrollees are actually affected? - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Democrats in Congress have put Obamacare front and center in their opposition to the Republicans’ temporary budget. One provision of the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 intended to provide relief during the pandemic expanded the health insurance premium subsidies created by the Affordable Care...
cei.org cei.org

So, it is you that is full of shit.


No, you didn't "school" me. Employer plans cover nearly 90% of the US population. Those aren't part of Obamacare.


Most of the people buying insurance previously were happier. They could get policies tailored to their needs rather than a 'one-size-fits-all' policy under Obamacare.

If you scroll down in this KFF study, you see a graph where only 20% of buyers in the Obamacare marketplace are satisfied with their plan. That is the worst performance of any type of health insurance currently. Those with serious health issues covered by an Obamacare plan give it an even worse 13% satisfaction rating. That is, the actual users of Obamacare plans think they suck.

www.kff.org

KFF Survey of Consumer Experiences with Health Insurance | KFF

The survey finds nearly six in 10 people with health insurance experienced a problem using their insurance in the past year, with even larger shares reporting problems among people who are sick or who have mental health needs. It includes data for people with different types of coverage...
www.kff.org www.kff.org


Only 14% of Americans use Obamacare. Only 7% buy a policy in the marketplace.

After a historic 2024 Open Enrollment period, effectuated enrollment for February 2024 was 20.8 million, the highest point-in-time enrollment observed to that date.

usafacts.org

The Affordable Care Act and the data: Who is insured and who isn't | USAFacts

More than 45 million people had enrolled in ACA-related insurance plans as of early 2024.
usafacts.org usafacts.org

Obamacare made virtually no difference in coverage and if expanded Medicaid is omitted, Obamacare has actually decreased coverage slightly.
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Once again, you don't read your links. Or you don't think anyone else will. You haven't studied the sampling, which is in the first paragraph. You haven't addressed the fact that most Red states have networks that are lacking simply because they refused to participate in setting up an exchange.

When you have compiled that information, you can try once more to make your case. Until then, read your own survey.
  • Most insured adults give their health insurance positive ratings, though people in poorer health tend to give lower ratings. Most insured adults (81%) give their health insurance an overall rating of “excellent” or “good,” though ratings vary based on health status: 84% of people who describe their physical health status as at least “good” rate insurance positively, compared to 68% of people in “fair” or “poor” health. Ratings are positive across insurance types, though higher shares of adults on Medicare rate their insurance positively (91%) and somewhat lower shares of those with Affordable Care Act (ACA) Marketplace coverage give their insurance a positive rating (73%).
 
LurchAddams said:
I'm an employee in a publicly held company with over 30,000 total team members worldwide.
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You mentioned that you are 'paying in' to your non HSA insurance. You do this via payroll deductions? I'm assuming such a large company (of course, only USA doesn't have healthcare for everyone) pays the lion's share?
 
Althea said:
You mentioned that you are 'paying in' to your non HSA insurance. You do this via payroll deductions? I'm assuming such a large company (of course, only USA doesn't have healthcare for everyone) pays the lion's share?
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Yes, my company takes a chunk out every 2 weeks - I also pay into a 401k and I take advantage of our discounted stock purchase.
 
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