If Obamacare Worked as Promised, No One Would Need Subsidies

Grokmaster

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Just sayin'....it did the OPPOSITE of the Black Messiah's Promise, driving American's health costs through the roof, instead of making it more affordable.
 
Althea said:
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No...you and yours are the liars, per usual...just like Obama.
Obamacare needs subsidies to make health insurance affordable for individuals and families by lowering the monthly premiums they have to pay. These subsidies act as a government contribution, filling the gap between what a person can afford based on their income and the total cost of the plan. Without subsidies, premiums could skyrocket, making coverage unattainable for millions and increasing the number of uninsured Americans.


IOW, Obamacare did the opposite of what the Sleazocrats promised.
 
Grokmaster said:
Just sayin'....it did the OPPOSITE of the Black Messiah's Promise, driving American's health costs through the roof, instead of making it more affordable.
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It was a compromise . Obama had to give the Republicans damaging things to get it passed. It was supposed to be a step toward universal healthcare, but the Reds held the line for Big Med and Pharm. It did provide health care for millions who did not have it. It allowed kids to stay on their parents' healthcare plans until age 26. It stopped health care insurance from refusing insurance for pre-existing conditions. It ended lifetime ceilings on the cost of care. It provides a yearly physical for Medicare aged people. It was cheaper.
The healthcare companies have been chopping at it since it was passed.
 
Grokmaster said:
Just sayin'....it did the OPPOSITE of the Black Messiah's Promise, driving American's health costs through the roof, instead of making it more affordable.
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Well, there would still be subsidies, but these would come from a pool of part of the profits that the health insurers in the system paid into and the states would be responsible for the expanded Medicaid coverage rather than the feds. Of course, since most insurers didn't make much if any profit off their Obamacare policies and the states couldn't come close to paying for the Medicaid coverage without like doubling or tripling their income tax rates, the whole plan fell apart and needed constant, massive, infusions of money from the feds. But that really was the Democrat plan all along. Have if fail on costs then say the only way out was to make Medicaid for All (aka socialized healthcare) a reality as completely socializing the system would "fix" the cost problem.
 
Nordberg said:
It was a compromise . Obama had to give the Republicans damaging things to get it passed. It was supposed to be a step toward universal healthcare, but the Reds held the line for Big Med and Pharm. It did provide health care for millions who did not have it. It allowed kids to stay on their parents' healthcare plans until age 26. It stopped health care insurance from refusing insurance for pre-existing conditions. It ended lifetime ceilings on the cost of care. It provides a yearly physical for Medicare aged people. It was cheaper.
The healthcare companies have been chopping at it since it was passed.
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The only part that really saw any expansion of coverage was expanded Medicaid. The Obamacare insurance plan marketplace just saw people who already had personal health insurance plans move (forced by cost) to Obamacare where they found, in most cases, their new coverage sucked harder than a Kirby vacuum cleaner. The costs per policy skyrocketed while selection disappeared. The whole had to have massive, continuous, subsidies to prop it up. Obamacare was a complete disaster from an economic and quality standpoint.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The only part that really saw any expansion of coverage was expanded Medicaid. The Obamacare insurance plan marketplace just saw people who already had personal health insurance plans move (forced by cost) to Obamacare where they found, in most cases, their new coverage sucked harder than a Kirby vacuum cleaner. The costs per policy skyrocketed while selection disappeared. The whole had to have massive, continuous, subsidies to prop it up. Obamacare was a complete disaster from an economic and quality standpoint.
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In fact, most people got better coverage cheaper. Those who did not need it got better coverage because their policies had to match Obamacare.
 
Nordberg said:
In fact, most people got better coverage cheaper. Those who did not need it got better coverage because their policies had to match Obamacare.
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No, most people got heavily subsidized coverage that usually sucked compared to what they had prior to Obamacare outside those getting coverage for the first time (almost entirely expanded Medicaid). The overall cost per policy skyrocketed.

For example, the most glaring instance of how Obamacare fucked over buyers is Obama's own statement: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

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The Falsehoods of Obamacare: A Dozen Broken Promises, Seven Million Canceled Plans, and Hundreds of Billion in Debt

The ACA failed to deliver on at least a dozen key promises, resulting in higher health care costs, increased deficits, and significant disruptions to insurance coverage and care access.
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T. A. Gardner said:
No, most people got heavily subsidized coverage that usually sucked to what they had prior to Obamacare outside those getting coverage for the first time (almost entirely expanded Medicaid). The overall cost per policy skyrocketed.

For example, the most glaring instance of how Obamacare fucked over buyers is Obama's own statement: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
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I kept mine. There were some who it did not work out for.
 
Nordberg said:
It was a compromise . Obama had to give the Republicans damaging things to get it passed. It was supposed to be a step toward universal healthcare, but the Reds held the line for Big Med and Pharm. It did provide health care for millions who did not have it. It allowed kids to stay on their parents' healthcare plans until age 26. It stopped health care insurance from refusing insurance for pre-existing conditions. It ended lifetime ceilings on the cost of care. It provides a yearly physical for Medicare aged people. It was cheaper.
The healthcare companies have been chopping at it since it was passed.
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Complete fucking lie. Just makeup whatever lies you need to believe.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, was passed in 2010 without a single Republican vote in either the House or the Senate. The law's passage was a highly partisan affair, with Democrats relying on a process called budget reconciliation in the Senate to overcome a Republican filibuster.
 
Grokmaster said:
No...you and yours are the liars, per usual...just like Obama.
Obamacare needs subsidies to make health insurance affordable for individuals and families by lowering the monthly premiums they have to pay. These subsidies act as a government contribution, filling the gap between what a person can afford based on their income and the total cost of the plan. Without subsidies, premiums could skyrocket, making coverage unattainable for millions and increasing the number of uninsured Americans.


IOW, Obamacare did the opposite of what the Sleazocrats promised.
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liar
 
Nordberg said:
It was a compromise . Obama had to give the Republicans damaging things to get it passed. It was supposed to be a step toward universal healthcare, but the Reds held the line for Big Med and Pharm. It did provide health care for millions who did not have it. It allowed kids to stay on their parents' healthcare plans until age 26. It stopped health care insurance from refusing insurance for pre-existing conditions. It ended lifetime ceilings on the cost of care. It provides a yearly physical for Medicare aged people. It was cheaper.
The healthcare companies have been chopping at it since it was passed.
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and a law that people must buy insurance, and a laughable insurance market exchange website that had shitty plans on it.

let's be thorough.
 
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