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[cawacko]

So sometimes I side with the right and sometimes I side with the left sometimes I think they are both full of it and don't go either way. Some things the GOP has done are good for all of America and some things not so good, some things the Dems have done are good and some not so good, but I don't know of any person or party that has ever done everything right and everything wrong.

We’ve had plenty of people over the years introduce themselves like you did, and 99% never post again. Time will tell if you’re different. That said, your moderate, nuanced responses are almost the ultimate troll on a board where tribal identity rules.

 

[Evan Keal]

I think that most of his policies are pretty darn good. I reserve the right to nit pick, of course, but generally speaking, he's been the best President during my lifetime.

Trump, the man, does have his issues (don't we all?). He can have quite an ego at times. He's a bit careless with his words at times. He's been married and divorced multiple times, among other things. However, he also seems like a pretty good grandfather who loves his family, and seems like a funny and fun guy to be around. He's also a VERY strong leader who has A LOT of fight in him.

Eisenhower and LBJ were pretty good. I was to young to vote or even follow them and their career but they were within my lifetime, and I studied them and both were not bad. Trump has promise. He still has three more years and so far he's had some good days and some bad days but it's still early days. Let's not forget all of the people who had that same job in the past and how they were. Some were criminals and some were just plain inept and some just straight up really good. One thing for sure they are all elected by the people and so let that be what it is. I dont know I think people jump to conclusions before all the facts are in a and that is what creates so much BS. Let's just wait and see.

 

[Evan Keal]

We’ve had plenty of people over the years introduce themselves like you did, and 99% never post again. Time will tell if you’re different. That said, your moderate, nuanced responses are almost the ultimate troll on a board where tribal identity rules.

I’m not trolling, friend. I’m just saying what I think.

 

[Phantasmal]

Thanks, I reckon. Hmm Spetch. Never heard of em and no I am not a Canadian nor am I in Canada. I am in Montana, and I am from Kansas.

I was once a Kansan! I still visit.

 

[cawacko]

Thanks, I reckon. Hmm Spetch. Never heard of em and no I am not a Canadian nor am I in Canada. I am in Montana, and I am from Kansas.

I've never been to Montana but have several friends that go to the Yellowstone Club. That near you?

 

[Ross Dolan]

I think that most of his policies are pretty darn good. I reserve the right to nit pick, of course, but generally speaking, he's been the best President during my lifetime.

Trump, the man, does have his issues (don't we all?). He can have quite an ego at times. He's a bit careless with his words at times. He's been married and divorced multiple times, among other things. However, he also seems like a pretty good grandfather who loves his family, and seems like a funny and fun guy to be around. He's also a VERY strong leader who has A LOT of fight in him.

One third of all the presidents who have ever served...have served during my lifetime. Trump, in my opinion, is without a doubt THE WORST president ever to serve during my lifetime...and yours also, although obviously you cannot see that.

Fine...I accept what you say as your opinion.

The Republic has been in the care of generations of people throughout the last 250 years. I am having lots of trouble accepting that I am part of the generation that saw the Republic come this close to ruin. This is, unfortunately, one of those lessons that is not easily learned. The German people of the mid 20th century eventually learned it.

This is what it took:



I hope we do not have to learn it that way.

 

[anonymoose]

^

 

[Evan Keal]

I've never been to Montana but have several friends that go to the Yellowstone Club. That near you?

I think it's over in Big Sky.

 

[gfm7175]

Eisenhower and LBJ were pretty good. I was to young to vote or even follow them and their career but they were within my lifetime, and I studied them and both were not bad.

Oh wow. I was nowhere near being born yet during those days. In fact, I wasn't even born until Dubya's Daddy was in office.

Of the ones within my lifetime, I hold a generally unfavorable view of Dubya's Daddy, Bill Clinton after him, and Dubya after him. I hold a VERYYYYYY unfavorable view of Obama. I consider Biden to be an illegitimately installed puppet (and an unofficial "third term" for Obama). Unlike the others before him, I hold a favorable view of Trump, and I generally view him QUITE favorably at that.

One thing for sure they are all elected by the people and so let that be what it is.

I somewhat disagree with this.

For diving deeper into it, it depends on which aspect one wishes to dive into. For instance, I believe that the 2020 election was illegitimate (that it faulted due to election fraud). I also believe that We The People don't get very many candidates to choose from who actually represent us (because the RNC and DNC do their best to control which one of their "approved" lackeys gets the nomination for any major political office).

In the grand scheme of things, Democrats generally use money to get power and Republicans generally use power to get money. Republicans are generally satisfied to yield power to Democrats so long as they get money in return for it. This allows the professional Democrats and the professional Republicans to get along quite well together behind closed doors (when they aren't giving their public kabuki theater performances). That's why I consider today's Republican Party (outside of the Tea Party & MAGA movements that actually represent We The People) to essentially be a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. Some people will use the term "Uniparty" to describe the aforementioned dynamic.

In other words, Democrats will get the angriest whenever their power is threatened and Republicans will get the angriest whenever their money is threatened. Donald Trump angers BOTH of them because Donald Trump threatens BOTH their power AND their money. That's why I believe Donald Trump to be the best President during my lifetime. There's good reason why he's been targeted so intensely ever since he announced his candidacy back in 2015 and shocked many people by actually winning the RNC nomination and subsequently actually winning the election.

I think people jump to conclusions before all the facts are in a and that is what creates so much BS.

Bingo!

 

[gfm7175]

One third of all the presidents who have ever served...have served during my lifetime. Trump, in my opinion, is without a doubt THE WORST president ever to serve during my lifetime...and yours also, although obviously you cannot see that.

Fine...I accept what you say as your opinion.

Indeed... I see it much differently than you do.

The Republic has been in the care of generations of people throughout the last 250 years. I am having lots of trouble accepting that I am part of the generation that saw the Republic come this close to ruin.

I think you're being very hyperbolic.

This is, unfortunately, one of those lessons that is not easily learned. The German people of the mid 20th century eventually learned it.

This is what it took:

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I hope we do not have to learn it that way.

I knew you couldn't go very long without making a Nazi reference...

 

[Evan Keal]

One third of all the presidents who have ever served...have served during my lifetime. Trump, in my opinion, is without a doubt THE WORST president ever to serve during my lifetime...and yours also, although obviously you cannot see that.

Fine...I accept what you say as your opinion.

The Republic has been in the care of generations of people throughout the last 250 years. I am having lots of trouble accepting that I am part of the generation that saw the Republic come this close to ruin. This is, unfortunately, one of those lessons that is not easily learned. The German people of the mid 20th century eventually learned it.

This is what it took:

View attachment 61703

I hope we do not have to learn it that way.

I don’t think Trump’s the worst we’ve seen — calling him the worst just isn’t true. History’s had its share of hard men in high places — Franklin D. Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Richard Nixon, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, even Joseph McCarthy — each one had the country convinced we were slipping toward ruin. But the Republic held. The elections went on. Power changed hands. New people took office.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Indeed... I see it much differently than you do.

We do. indeed...for which I am very grateful.

I think you're being very hyperbolic.

Well...you are free to use expressions like "I think" if you choose, but most of us here know better.

I knew you couldn't go very long without making a Nazi reference...

You "supposed" rather than "knew."

In any case, glad not to have disappointed.

Certainly seems like an apt comparison to me.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I don’t think Trump’s the worst we’ve seen — calling him the worst just isn’t true.

I said it was my opinion. I am willing to acknowledge your opinions. I hope you are more inclined to acknowledge ours.

History’s had its share of hard men in high places — Franklin D. Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Richard Nixon, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, even Joseph McCarthy — each one had the country convinced we were slipping toward ruin. But the Republic held. The elections went on. Power changed hands. New people took office.

Trump is disgusting. He even makes the tail-gunner seem reasonable.

The Republic may not survive him...and if that is the case, people who supported him (and people who did not oppose him) will share in the shame.

Evan, I applaud your willingness to see both sides of a story. But that is not always a good thing. Seeing both sides of a vicious rape is not a good thing.

I have never said anything like what I said in my first sentence here of another president...and, in fact, have sided with some others considered pond scum. But Trump has earned by contempt with what he has been doing.

We'll talk more about this. I suspect you will stick around...and if you do...we WILL talk more about it.

 

[Evan Keal]

I said it was my opinion. I am willing to acknowledge your opinions. I hope you are more inclined to acknowledge ours.

Trump is disgusting. He even makes the tail-gunner seem reasonable.

The Republic may not survive him...and if that is the case, people who supported him (and people who did not oppose him) will share in the shame.

Evan, I applaud your willingness to see both sides of a story. But that is not always a good thing. Seeing both sides of a vicious rape is not a good thing.

I have never said anything like what I said in my first sentence here of another president...and, in fact, have sided with some others considered pond scum. But Trump has earned by contempt with what he has been doing.

We'll talk more about this. I suspect you will stick around...and if you do...we WILL talk more about it.

I’m not out here trying to excuse anybody or pretend bad behavior’s fine. I just think this country’s been through worse storms before, and somehow the Republic held on.

Calling Trump “the worst” — I don’t buy that. History’s full of presidents and politicians folks swore would bring the country down — Lincoln, Wilson, Jackson, Nixon, McCarthy — all of ’em had people saying the same thing in their time. Yet here we are. We still vote, still argue, still hand over power, still keep the whole thing going.

I don’t condone anyone’s bad behavior, and I’m not blind to the harm people cause. But I also don’t believe one person’s got the power to wreck the whole nation. We’re tougher than that — too damn resilient to let one man break what generations before us bled to build.

So yeah, we can talk about it more. But I’m gonna keep trying to see the whole picture, even when it’s messy. That’s not sitting on the fence — that’s just being honest.

 

[christiefan915]

Eisenhower and LBJ were pretty good. I was to young to vote or even follow them and their career but they were within my lifetime, and I studied them and both were not bad. Trump has promise. He still has three more years and so far he's had some good days and some bad days but it's still early days. Let's not forget all of the people who had that same job in the past and how they were. Some were criminals and some were just plain inept and some just straight up really good. One thing for sure they are all elected by the people and so let that be what it is. I dont know I think people jump to conclusions before all the facts are in a and that is what creates so much BS. Let's just wait and see.

^ We have a convicted felon in office now. Are you okay with that? He's the only one in our history.

 

[Evan Keal]

^ We have a convicted felon in office now. Are you okay with that? He's the only one in our history.

We’ve had presidents do all sorts of things that were wrong, reckless, or downright illegal. History’s full of them. Some were caught, some weren’t, and the country kept right on going.

Trump being convicted doesn’t make me okay with it, not at all. I don't condone crime in any form, but it also doesn’t change my point — the Republic’s bigger than one man. He’s the only one actually convicted, but let’s not forget Nixon would’ve been if he hadn’t resigned and Harding’s crew was swimming in corruption to name a couple. None of it broke the country.

I’m not ready to throw the whole system in the ditch over one man. Let’s see how it plays out before we start burying the country.

 

[domer76]

There are worst offenders such as @Truth Detector, @Into the Night, @Lionfish and others when it comes to repeated trolling and meme posting.

What a coincidence! My ignore list.

 

[domer76]

Thanks, I reckon. Hmm Spetch. Never heard of em and no I am not a Canadian nor am I in Canada. I am in Montana, and I am from Kansas.

The best little vacation I had this last summer was at Bannack State Park near Dillon. Loved it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Me and my Mom lived in Leavenworth for a while also and my Dad was killed coming back from the base at Ft. Riley

I went to Patton Junior High one year and then Leavenworth Senior High. Good times.

I don’t think Trump’s the worst we’ve seen — calling him the worst just isn’t true. History’s had its share of hard men in high places — Franklin D. Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Richard Nixon, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, even Joseph McCarthy — each one had the country convinced we were slipping toward ruin. But the Republic held. The elections went on. Power changed hands. New people took office.

You and I can agree to disagree on that point, but it depends upon how one defines "worst we've seen". Divisive? Constitutional violations? Abuse of office? Weakening our nation in the case of our enemies? I believe Trump tops all Presidents in all the categories.

Other Presidents have been corrupt, but I can't name a single one who weakened the United States against our enemies much less flagrantly violated our Constitution and his oath of office.

 

[anonymoose]

^ We have a convicted felon in office now. Are you okay with that? He's the only one in our history.

Yet he's one of only two that was reelected after losing one (which was a flawed election). Pretty amazing.