Hmmm.

Hawkeye10 said:
Americans have a very hard time processing how bad this dark age is.
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We understand it - we understood it when Obama's Biden puppet tried to put the opposition candidate in prison to stop free and fair elections. We understood it when democrats in conjunction with their allies, Communist China, unleashed a biological weapon on America and used it as a springboard to establish a police state and absolute dictatorship. We understand how close they came to success back in 2021. The dystopian reality of secret police hunting down dissenters, Covid snitch lines, arbitrary and stupid mandates.

We remember - which is why we elected Trump.

democrats have murdered a great man - but from his death America will respond stronger than ever. The violence and terror that is the democrat party will not prevail. Our resolve is strong - evil will not win.
 
TOP said:
I don't think many realize what a force he was...They should ask their grandchildren and relaitives...they'd be astounded about how many followed and respected him...
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democrats thought they could end the civil rights movement when they killed Martin Luther King Jr. This is the same - they have ignited a fire that will consume this nation with this vile assassination.

This is no different than when they killed MLK.
 
Damocles said:
You came back to ask this? Nice to see you, Mott.
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Thanks Damo. Obviously I am being ironic and rhetorical but I don’t find anything funny about what happened to Kirk at all. I hope the culprit is found, given a fair trial and hanged.

I’m also being rather apolitical. I’ve watched several interviews of the political figures who were young Mr. Kirk’s mentors and I was appalled that they are clueless that they set Kirk up on his path to political extremism as a media polemicist and fire brand. They should be reflecting on the personal accountability for encouraging him to take excessive risks and their mentoring and encouragement played no small role in putting him in a high risk position. I honestly don’t care what form of political extremism is involved as it doesn’t really matter which side you’re on.

Maybe with wiser council Kirk would still be alive.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Thanks Damo. Obviously I am being ironic and rhetorical but I don’t find anything funny about what happened to Kirk at all. I hope the culprit is found, given a fair trial and hanged.

I’m also being rather apolitical. I’ve watched several interviews of the political figures who were young Mr. Kirk’s mentors and I was appalled that they are clueless that they set Kirk up on his path to political extremism as a media polemicist and fire brand. They should be reflecting on the personal accountability for encouraging him to take excessive risks and their mentoring and encouragement played no small role in putting him in a high risk position. I honestly don’t care what form of political extremism is involved as it doesn’t really matter which side you’re on.

Maybe with wiser council Kirk would still be alive.
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What’s up, Mott! Took a break from this board myself and just came back the other day. Clearly didn’t pick a quiet time to return.

I want to push back a bit on what you’re saying. You’re not wrong that being high profile and provocative can put more of a target on someone. But there are plenty of people who think simply being a Democrat or Republican makes you an extremist. That’s why I don’t like the idea that “if you just toned it down, you wouldn’t have been murdered.” That doesn’t sit right with me because it almost treats murder as an acceptable outcome.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Thanks Damo. Obviously I am being ironic and rhetorical but I don’t find anything funny about what happened to Kirk at all. I hope the culprit is found, given a fair trial and hanged.

I’m also being rather apolitical. I’ve watched several interviews of the political figures who were young Mr. Kirk’s mentors and I was appalled that they are clueless that they set Kirk up on his path to political extremism as a media polemicist and fire brand. They should be reflecting on the personal accountability for encouraging him to take excessive risks and their mentoring and encouragement played no small role in putting him in a high risk position. I honestly don’t care what form of political extremism is involved as it doesn’t really matter which side you’re on.

Maybe with wiser council Kirk would still be alive.
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Maybe he was doing exactly what he wanted, he was a 31 year old adult male with all his faculties and a drive to present a message and encourage free speech and dialogue. While some of what he said was disagreeable to my personal philosophy, the courage it took to understand the risk, hire security, and do it anyway is in some ways admirable.

Was it a sacrifice he was willing to make? I am unsure, but he certainly said as much regularly.
 
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serendipity said:
Ben Shapiro says he will 'pick up that blood-stained microphone'
Ben Shapiro has announced he will continue Charlie Kirk's mission, going to college campuses himself.

'Charlie's voice is not silent,' Shapiro said. 'We're going to pick up that blood-stained microphone where Charlie left it.'
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And walk down the same oblivious ideological path of self destruction. Hey, fine if that’s what you want in your life then go for it Ben.
 
Damocles said:
Maybe he was doing exactly what he wanted, he was a 31 year old adult male with all his faculties and a drive to present a message and encourage free speech and dialog. While some of what he said was disagreeable to my personal philosophy, the courage it took to understand the risk, hire security, and do it anyway is in some ways admirable.

Was it a sacrifice he was willing to make? I am unsure, but he certainly said as much regularly.
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Well if that’s the path he chose so be it but when other lives you are responsible for are negatively impacted when you come up on the short end of the stick I find that a selfish and irresponsible decision to make. That’s why I decided to leave field work and went into corporate management in my field (mostly of the technical and compliance management variety) even though I enjoyed field work more than what I’m currently doing by far. My decision to walk away from that was because in my years of field work I have witnessed incidents where four men were killed doing their job and I had five colleagues, who I didn’t work with, who died on the job. Field work in HAZMAT is obviously a high risk occupation and is a more hazardous occupation than police work by OSHA records.

I just felt it was the responsible thing to do.
 
Cypress said:
“It’s worth it to have some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational,” Kirk said in 2023.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...ead-fbi-releases-images-of-person-of-interest
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Mott the Hoople said:
Well if that’s the path he chose so be it but when other lives you are responsible for are negatively impacted when you come up on the short end of the stick I find that a selfish and irresponsible decision to make. That’s why I decided to leave field work and went into corporate management in my field (mostly of the technical and compliance management variety) even though I enjoyed field work more than what I’m currently doing by far. My decision to walk away from that was because in my years of field work I have witnessed incidents where four men were killed doing their job and I had five colleagues, who I didn’t work with, who died on the job. Field work in HAZMAT is obviously a high risk occupation and is a more hazardous occupation than police work by OSHA records.

I just felt it was the responsible thing to do.
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That can happen even if you try to avoid the danger. Perhaps he believed that setting an example and showing that some things are larger and more important than an individual was the better path. While he worked in what he called the "macro" his message was that there is no excuse for you not to work in the micro to your utmost, do what you believe, act to make it happen. His path may not have been for everybody, but I hope there are enough willing to take up that mantle that what he started doesn't end. Non-violent dialog between those that disagree really is the only path to what makes America the place we want it to be.
 
anonymoose said:
Oh by the way, that’s a disgusting and insensitive comment. I thought you were better than that but I guess these things bring out the worst in normally somewhat thoughtful liberals. Just goes to show what’s beneath that façade.

Really.

No, he should’ve stayed under his rock.
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Oh give me a break. How many fucking children have died in mass shootings that were preventable and this prick says it’s worth it to preserve his extremist 2A views? I’m not being remotely as insensitive as Kirk was, for example, toward the families of Sandy Hook victims.

I wasn’t seeking laughs either. It is ironic that he died while defending his opposition to reasonable gun control. Something that if reasonable controls were in place he’d probably still be alive to debate them.

I’ve also have clearly stated that I clearly denounce this sort of violence and the culprit when found should have a fair trial and a hanging.

So I’m not crying crocodile tears for a person who advocated appalling extremist policies. Kirk was clearly a bigot of the worst order but even he did not deserve to be assassinated for his speech and political beliefs.

So try coming out from under your rock and see the world objectively for what is really happening in this country and tell me why I should be sympathetic towards an extremist who himself advocated violence?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Conservatives used to be big into "personal responsibility." He's responsible for his words and their effects. Whether or not he really believed that tripe he spewed doesn't matter. He spewed it to make money and a name for himself. Some people seem to struggle with the concept that free speech comes with consequences.
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But being executed for those beliefs should clearly not be one of them. Being as asshole is not a death penalty offense.
 
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