Into the Night
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The Bible has been translated into English. Too bad YOU have so much trouble with the language.
Linguistics is not a branch of science. English is English. You just don't understand it.
Oklahoma Bible mandate challenged in Court
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Margot
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Oklahoma is a State
Into the Night
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So?
IBDaMann
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It's the opposite, silly. The reactionaries reacted by filing a lawsuit to stop kids from being allowed to read the King James Bible.
I understood it as a kid. Today, it's the only version of the Bible I read. You must have been stupid as a child.
How does having access to KJV damage children? I'm an atheist. I was actually required to study KJV. For what kind of damage should I look?
Wait, wait, wait ... since when did KJV stop being a version of the Bible and become a gang of people?
The correct word is "who" in this case, not "whom."
I think it's pretty clear that KJV is the most authentic. How is this not obvious to you?
IBDaMann
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Yeah, but is it a commonwealth?
Yes. as I pointed out. Massachusetts was the last state to repeal their favorite sect's official state support, in 1834.
AI Overview
Massachusetts did not repeal state-supported religion until 1833, making it the last state to disestablish its church
. State support was ended by the passage of the 11th Amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution, after a public plebiscite voted overwhelmingly against state religion.
Key details about the disestablishment:
- The Congregationalist Church had been the official state church, and all citizens were taxed to support it.
- Growing discontent with the state-church arrangement came from various religious groups, including Baptists, who were not part of the official establishment.
- The rise of Unitarianism further fueled the opposition. After a Massachusetts Supreme Court decision in 1820, many Congregationalist churches were taken over by Unitarians, angering orthodox Congregationalists and prompting some to join the call for disestablishment.
- A decisive plebiscite in 1833 saw voters approve a constitutional amendment to end state support for religion by a 10-to-1 margin.
The Constitution was designed to limit Federal powers, not Christianity, and it was also deliberately denied the Federal govt. the power to use military force against a state as well. See this book for how and why Madison rejected granting the Federal govt. that power as well as others.
A compilation of several diaries of the attendees here:
The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, vol. 1 | Online Library of Liberty
Volume 1 covers May 14 to July 13, 1787. The records of the Federal Convention which was held in Philadelphia between May and September 1787. The sessions were secret but the proceedings were reconstructed from notes kept by the official secretary and some participants, most notably James Madison.
oll.libertyfund.org
Three volumes.
lol you get more and more addled with every passing day. Are you in a Home now? Does the nurse not give you ypur meds on time?
Margot
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Into the Night
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Nowhere near it. Oklahoma is not Massachusetts. The issue is teaching the Bible in schools in Oklahoma. The year is 2025.
This part is True.
The federal government is authorized to enforce federal law, even if it means using military to do it.
Trump is not using any military against any State.
False authority fallacy. The Constitution is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution. The Federal government is not involved here. It is a State issue. It is about teaching the Bible in schools in Oklahoma. It does not involve the federal government at all.
Irrelevant.A compilation of several diaries of the attendees here:
The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, vol. 1 | Online Library of Liberty
Volume 1 covers May 14 to July 13, 1787. The records of the Federal Convention which was held in Philadelphia between May and September 1787. The sessions were secret but the proceedings were reconstructed from notes kept by the official secretary and some participants, most notably James Madison.oll.libertyfund.org
Three volumes.
Into the Night
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Incomplete argument. Try again.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Blatant lie.
AI Overview
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Yes, the First Amendment applies to state governments because the Fourteenth Amendment's Due Process Clause incorporates the First Amendment's rights and freedoms, making them applicable to state and local actions. This process, known as incorporation, ensures that states, like the federal government, are prohibited from infringing upon rights such as free speech, the free exercise of religion, and freedom of assembly.
Only in Comparative Religion and World History.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Keep drinking and misreading posts. We're used to it.
Never said he did. Have another drink.
lol, keep drinking.
lol it's history reported by the participants, something that is not kind to illiterates. You hit the bottom of the bottle yet?
lol you wouldn't know. States could and did designate a state church. They still can if voters approve the Amendments to do so.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
What States? If they did, that would mean they deny the right for the children not to be taught a religion.
Teaching religions belongs in churches and Sunday schools.
Several states.
It belongs where ever Christians feel like teaching it, including at your front door. The govt. can't make any law restricting them, period.