Texas river flood leaves at least 13 dead and 20 children missing; camp evacuated by helicopter

Texas Hill Country flood tragedy follows early retirement of head of local weather warnings amid NOAA federal staffing cuts​

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I understand there were major failings on the local level. And yes, this was an extreme and very likely unpredictable event—an act of God by all appearances. But when something like this happens—especially one that devastated Kerr County and took young lives at Camp Mystic—we need to look at every level of government response: local, state, and federal. What failed? And what can be done to prevent or mitigate future tragedies, especially in vulnerable areas like the Texas Hill Country, which is prone to flash flooding?

In April, Paul Yura, the warning coordination meteorologist for the NWS Austin/San Antonio office, retired early after 32 years in the field. According to NOAA, this role is second only to the meteorologist-in-charge and is critical for translating forecasts into community alerts, managing spotter networks, and coordinating with local emergency teams. The position remains unfilled due to a hiring freeze caused by federal cuts to NOAA under the Trump administration.

Around the same time, the Houston NWS office lost its meteorologist-in-charge and now has a 44% vacancy rate. These cuts triggered a wave of early retirements and left local offices scrambling to maintain coverage—often relying on virtual support or temporarily reassigned staff. That’s a real loss of local expertise and institutional memory.

And here’s the thing: even the best weather models don’t matter if the warnings don’t reach people or don’t convey urgency. That depends on communication infrastructure and relationships on the ground—which in turn depend on staffing and experience.

I’ve seen a lot of comments saying “the NWS did their job,” and that they did issue a flood watch. But if the information didn’t get to the right people in time—or in a way that made the risk clear enough to act on—then something broke down. I also understand there were cell service issues in the area, which only underscores how urgent it is to improve how we reach people quickly and reliably in rural or high-risk zones during emergencies. That breakdown might not be one person’s fault, and maybe this disaster could not have been prevented at all—only time and investigation will tell. But it’s still worth asking whether federal staffing decisions weakened the very systems meant to support local emergency managers, especially in high-risk regions like the Texas Hill Country.

Meteorologists have since pointed out that while precise locations can’t always be predicted, the potential for a major flood was clear. Moisture from Tropical Storm Barry, a favorable jet stream orientation, atmospheric instability, and geography created a textbook setup for extreme rainfall—similar to events like Harvey and Allison. High-resolution models picked up the signals for >10" rainfall as early as Thursday morning. So the forecasting framework existed—but what about delivery, urgency, response?

That’s why having experienced meteorologists in place matters—not just to interpret the models, but to communicate risks clearly and coordinate with local emergency managers. Institutional knowledge and local relationships are key when timing and trust can make the difference between action and tragedy.

As the NWS explains, their offices don’t just forecast—they work directly with emergency managers to plan evacuations, activate alerts, and help the public respond appropriately. These are relationships built on local experience and trust—which are hard to replace.

We don’t need finger-pointing right now. But we do need a real conversation about how national decisions—like budget cuts and hiring freezes—affect local readiness. And how all levels of government can work together more effectively next time. Because unfortunately, in places like Kerr County, there will be a next time.

Finally, I just want to say: my heart goes out to the families affected by this tragedy, especially the children and staff at Camp Mystic and everyone in Kerr County who lost loved ones or lived through unimaginable fear. No post can undo that loss—but hopefully, this conversation can help protect lives in the future.
 
  • A Flood Watch was issued by NWS Austin/San Antonio at 1:18PM CT on Thursday, in effect through Friday morning.

  • The Weather Prediction Center (WPC) issued three Mesoscale Precipitation Discussions for the excessive rainfall event as early as 6:10PM CDT Thursday indicating the potential for Flash Flooding.
  • The National Water Center Area Hydrologic Discussion (AHD) #144 at issued 6:22 PM CDT on 7/3/2025 messaged locally considerable flood wording for areas north and west of San Antonio, including the city of Kerrville.
  • The first Flash Flood Warning for the event was issued at 11:41 PM CDT Thursday for Bandera County.
  • At 1:14 AM CDT Friday: Flash Flood Warning with a considerable tag was issued for Bandera and Kerr Counties. Flash Flood Warnings with the Impact-Based Warning tags “Considerable” or “Catastrophic” denote high-damage threats and will automatically trigger Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEAs) on enabled mobile devices, ensuring only the most life-threatening flash flood events prompt urgent public notifications. All alerts are also sent out over NOAA Weather Radio.
The NWS did their job . Camp Mystic didn't hear the warnings. They likely did not listen to the weather radio.
 
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  • A Flood Watch was issued by NWS Austin/San Antonio at 1:18PM CT on Thursday, in effect through Friday morning.

  • The Weather Prediction Center (WPC) issued three Mesoscale Precipitation Discussions for the excessive rainfall event as early as 6:10PM CDT Thursday indicating the potential for Flash Flooding.
  • The National Water Center Area Hydrologic Discussion (AHD) #144 at issued 6:22 PM CDT on 7/3/2025 messaged locally considerable flood wording for areas north and west of San Antonio, including the city of Kerrville.
  • The first Flash Flood Warning for the event was issued at 11:41 PM CDT Thursday for Bandera County.
  • At 1:14 AM CDT Friday: Flash Flood Warning with a considerable tag was issued for Bandera and Kerr Counties. Flash Flood Warnings with the Impact-Based Warning tags “Considerable” or “Catastrophic” denote high-damage threats and will automatically trigger Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEAs) on enabled mobile devices, ensuring only the most life-threatening flash flood events prompt urgent public notifications. All alerts are also sent out over NOAA Weather Radio.
The NWS did their job . Camp Mystic didn't head the warnings. They likely did not listen to the weather radio.
It has been reported that there was a huge spread between predicted rain and actual rain, one report I saw said that in one area predicted rain was under 4 inches, actual rain was well over 20.
 
It has been reported that there was a huge spread between predicted rain and actual rain, one report I saw said that in one area predicted rain was under 4 inches, actual rain was well over 20.
They had a couple super cells in localized areas. I heard a weather forecaster say the current state of the art does not allow them to predict micro bursts in an area very far ahead of time. I saw a weather map and it was orange over a wide area with a couple smaller areas that were very dark red.
 
The warning came at 1:15 am.....the flood hit Mystic at 4am.....they had 750 kids plus staff......what exactly were they supposed to do that time of day and with so little notice?
 
If they didn't have an effective evacuation plan they had no business running a camp. Again 722 kids made it out alive.
I am hoping to see some reporting on that, and also of what actually happened.....what did they know, when, what did they do and did anyone show up to help them.
 
After the usual bullshit from the usual suspects, here is the inestimable Roger Pielke to the rescue.


This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. . . We do not have a warning system.” — Judge Rob Kelly, Kerr County, Texas, 4 July 2025



As I write this, the death toll in the Texas flash floods now exceeds 70, with 12 people still missing, including 11 girls and one camp counselor. It is a heartbreaking and horrific tragedy.

Many have been quick to politicize the tragedy in an effort to support whatever agenda that they were promoting before the disaster — climate change, DOGE budget cuts, operations of the National Weather Service, the Biden Administration. The one political implication of the disaster that I’m ready to call for is to reassert the importance of establishing a U.S. Disaster Review Board, a case made here at THB by Mike Smith last March.

Today, I share some data and context on the event for those wanting to go beyond seeking to use tragic deaths in hopes of scoring online partisan points. Shameful.

Before getting to relevant data and research, my view — This tragedy occurred in a location that has among the greatest risks in the nation of flash flooding, where kids in summer camps have previously been swept away to their deaths, and where warning systems are (apparently and incredibly) not in place. This tragedy never should have happened and it should never happen again.

Just a bit more background — early in my career I studied the use of weather forecasts and warnings at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, including flood warnings. Overall, the U.S. has seen tremendous progress in forecasts, warnings, evacuations, with a long-term drop in death rates from flooding. However, this week’s tragedy shows that we still have much work to do.

Where did this flood occur?

The flood took place in a region of Texas that has long been called, “flash flood alley,” and is pictured in the image above from a 2022 article by Accuweather. That article explained:

[F]airly regular flash floods have led officials to nickname a part of the state 'Flash Flood Alley,' a geographic region that tracks through many of Texas' major metropolitan areas, including San Antonio, Dallas, Austin and Waco.

The Balcones Escarpment, which roughly parallels Interstate 35, marks the location of flash flood alley. The inactive fault zone formed a rise in the topography in the area, which enhances storm systems that pass over it, causing them to dump more rain there than they might elsewhere.

"We're going from the coastal plains right into the hill country. There's a rise of at least about 500 feet in elevation," Pete Rose, a meteorologist with the Lower Colorado River Authority, told AccuWeather National Reporter Bill Wadell.

"Along with that, you have a lot of your hills and valleys that go along with that type of topography, and these hills don't contain a lot of soil; they have very thin soil. So when rain does hit them, not much of it gets absorbed," Rose said, noting that water will rush down the valleys and pile into creeks and streams.

Warm, moist air from the Gulf of Mexico helps fuel storms as well, giving them ample moisture to dump lots of rain in a short amount of time across the dusty Texas soil.

If there is anywhere that should be prepared for flash flooding, it is “flash flood alley.”

 
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After the usual bullshit from the usual suspects, here is the inestimable Roger Pielke to the rescue.


This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. . . We do not have a warning system.” — Judge Rob Kelly, Kerr County, Texas, 4 July 2025


As I write this, the death toll in the Texas flash floods now exceeds 70, with 12 people still missing, including 11 girls and one camp counselor. It is a heartbreaking and horrific tragedy.

Many have been quick to politicize the tragedy in an effort to support whatever agenda that they were promoting before the disaster — climate change, DOGE budget cuts, operations of the National Weather Service, the Biden Administration. The one political implication of the disaster that I’m ready to call for is to reassert the importance of establishing a U.S. Disaster Review Board, a case made here at THB by Mike Smith last March.

Today, I share some data and context on the event for those wanting to go beyond seeking to use tragic deaths in hopes of scoring online partisan points. Shameful.

Before getting to relevant data and research, my view — This tragedy occurred in a location that has among the greatest risks in the nation of flash flooding, where kids in summer camps have previously been swept away to their deaths, and where warning systems are (apparently and incredibly) not in place. This tragedy never should have happened and it should never happen again.

Just a bit more background — early in my career I studied the use of weather forecasts and warnings at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, including flood warnings. Overall, the U.S. has seen tremendous progress in forecasts, warnings, evacuations, with a long-term drop in death rates from flooding. However, this week’s tragedy shows that we still have much work to do.

Where did this flood occur?

The flood took place in a region of Texas that has long been called, “flash flood alley,” and is pictured in the image above from a 2022 article by Accuweather. That article explained:

[F]airly regular flash floods have led officials to nickname a part of the state 'Flash Flood Alley,' a geographic region that tracks through many of Texas' major metropolitan areas, including San Antonio, Dallas, Austin and Waco.

The Balcones Escarpment, which roughly parallels Interstate 35, marks the location of flash flood alley. The inactive fault zone formed a rise in the topography in the area, which enhances storm systems that pass over it, causing them to dump more rain there than they might elsewhere.

"We're going from the coastal plains right into the hill country. There's a rise of at least about 500 feet in elevation," Pete Rose, a meteorologist with the Lower Colorado River Authority, told AccuWeather National Reporter Bill Wadell.

"Along with that, you have a lot of your hills and valleys that go along with that type of topography, and these hills don't contain a lot of soil; they have very thin soil. So when rain does hit them, not much of it gets absorbed," Rose said, noting that water will rush down the valleys and pile into creeks and streams.

Warm, moist air from the Gulf of Mexico helps fuel storms as well, giving them ample moisture to dump lots of rain in a short amount of time across the dusty Texas soil.

If there is anywhere that should be prepared for flash flooding, it is “flash flood alley.”

"I’LL JUST SAY THIS .. to the ones whose lives are one big obsession of attacking others when you have little to no clue of what you’re talking about. If you only listen to some unqualified social media friend or ‘influencer’ who simply wants to blame the camp, the meteorologists, or state and federal leaders because you don’t like them - God help you.

I follow a lot of highly respected meteorologists, storm chasers, and a number of US National Weather Service pages. I watch. I read. I understand. Then I share.

1. The National Weather Service for that area had over TWICE the normal staffing on that night due to expected rainfall. Thank you, Meteorologist James Spann for putting that out there. So don’t just automatically blame “cuts”.

2. ‘Flood Watches’ went out well in advanced. A ‘Flood Warning’ that specifically mentions Kerrville went out at 1:14am - hours before the Guadalupe River rapidly rose to 30 feet.

That said, it doesn’t lessen the need for answers. It heightens them. Unless you live in a low-lying area, when is the last time you actually reacted to a ‘flood warning’? Probably never. Many of you would agree, about the only warning that might make you step away from your keyboard attacks is a ‘tornado warning’.

There are a number of tools we already have access to that would help spread the word - even at 1am - if there is a weather emergency. Do you have a weather radio? Have you downloaded weather apps from your local TV news stations? Here is our’s at KNWA ~> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nwa-your-weather-authority/id835244863

I even heard one idea that included installing tsunami-like sirens in critical low-lying areas. But remember, you’re typically inside at 1am and may not hear a siren designed to warn people who are outside. So do what YOU need to do, and don’t just sit there thinking the government is suppose to send an Uber to your house when it’s time to take shelter.

Regardless, here’s what we should be doing right now. Support the families impacted or the first responders on scene, however you can. That might include a donation to a vetted fundraiser or nonprofit involved in the search, rescue, and recovery. Or - if it’s on your heart to do so - pray for them all. Now is NOT the time for attacks. It’s a time for support.

So, in conclusion - every single one of the armchair quarterbacking, mudslinging, finger-pointing, politicizing, social media warriors who didn’t put in the time to become a trained meteorologist, a first responder making rescues, a volunteer who is providing support, or just a caring human being who is sharing a prayer when it’s needed most - you can just carry-on in your narrow echo chamber. And maybe, just maybe one day, you’ll be grateful for all the people around you (you know, outside in the heat or in pressure situations) handling all the tough stuff that needs to be handled." DOUG WARNER
 
"I’LL JUST SAY THIS .. to the ones whose lives are one big obsession of attacking others when you have little to no clue of what you’re talking about. If you only listen to some unqualified social media friend or ‘influencer’ who simply wants to blame the camp, the meteorologists, or state and federal leaders because you don’t like them - God help you.

I follow a lot of highly respected meteorologists, storm chasers, and a number of US National Weather Service pages. I watch. I read. I understand. Then I share.

1. The National Weather Service for that area had over TWICE the normal staffing on that night due to expected rainfall. Thank you, Meteorologist James Spann for putting that out there. So don’t just automatically blame “cuts”.

2. ‘Flood Watches’ went out well in advanced. A ‘Flood Warning’ that specifically mentions Kerrville went out at 1:14am - hours before the Guadalupe River rapidly rose to 30 feet.

That said, it doesn’t lessen the need for answers. It heightens them. Unless you live in a low-lying area, when is the last time you actually reacted to a ‘flood warning’? Probably never. Many of you would agree, about the only warning that might make you step away from your keyboard attacks is a ‘tornado warning’.

There are a number of tools we already have access to that would help spread the word - even at 1am - if there is a weather emergency. Do you have a weather radio? Have you downloaded weather apps from your local TV news stations? Here is our’s at KNWA ~> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nwa-your-weather-authority/id835244863

I even heard one idea that included installing tsunami-like sirens in critical low-lying areas. But remember, you’re typically inside at 1am and may not hear a siren designed to warn people who are outside. So do what YOU need to do, and don’t just sit there thinking the government is suppose to send an Uber to your house when it’s time to take shelter.

Regardless, here’s what we should be doing right now. Support the families impacted or the first responders on scene, however you can. That might include a donation to a vetted fundraiser or nonprofit involved in the search, rescue, and recovery. Or - if it’s on your heart to do so - pray for them all. Now is NOT the time for attacks. It’s a time for support.

So, in conclusion - every single one of the armchair quarterbacking, mudslinging, finger-pointing, politicizing, social media warriors who didn’t put in the time to become a trained meteorologist, a first responder making rescues, a volunteer who is providing support, or just a caring human being who is sharing a prayer when it’s needed most - you can just carry-on in your narrow echo chamber. And maybe, just maybe one day, you’ll be grateful for all the people around you (you know, outside in the heat or in pressure situations) handling all the tough stuff that needs to be handled."
Imagine running Mystic and getting this warning at 1:15 am, responsible for 750 young girls and their mostly teen minders....in the dark in the middle of nowhere...

What do you do?
 
I get it you hate that Trump is being blamed for the flooding and the cuts he directed to be made. Every president has to deal with this. Biden got it every time in the last 4 years so put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

The glorious orange leader must never be criticized. It's amusing though watching FatLame and her new scissors sister turn themselves inside out with the combination of Trump defending, virtue-signaling and personal attacks on other JPP posters. How sad to be so bereft of self esteem and pride. It's a blessing not to be them. lol
 
Imagine running Mystic and getting this warning at 1:15 am, responsible for 750 young girls and their mostly teen minders....in the dark in the middle of nowhere...

What do you do?
I can't imagine...they simply didn't realize the magnitude of what eventually happened...No one did...
The owner lost his life trying to do what he believed was best...many did...
Even with the most sophisticated warning or alarm systems in place, I don't think anyone could have imagined what would happen...No forecast could have predicted that...
 
I can't imagine...they simply didn't realize the magnitude of what eventually happened...No one did...
The owner lost his life trying to do what he believed was best...many did...
Even with the most sophisticated warning or alarm systems in place, I don't think anyone could have imagined what would happen...No forecast could have predicted that...
It was not just that the weather people were so wrong about rainfall....it is also that the area has been in several years of drought....the soil refused to take the water.

In the middle of the night, in a county with less than 55K people...

A nightmare scenario.
 
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