Trumppers, thoughts on spending bill?

TOP said:
SweetLand of Liberty...I see that everyone is looking forward to the the 4th...well, almost everyone... This is the kickoff to our birthday year!! Get excited!!! Things are going to be great...Again...;)
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great for who?
It adds 3.5 trillion to the debt
It cuts over 11 million from healkthcare
It slashed food stamps and nutrition assistance for the poor
It gives huge tax breaks to the super wealthy
Trump has already cut environmental regulations. He is giving public land to corporations. He is forming a Gestapo-type army.
I guess I did not realize you are super wealthy and like almost all super wealthy you do not care about the poor or the land.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No use of AI...

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1912-2020: Presidents Who Changed Health Care In America​

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In short, up to WW 2 there were attempts to nationalize healthcare but they failed. Few people relied on insurance to pay for the healthcare they needed. During WW 2, FDR imposed wage and price controls on all of industry. Due to a labor shortage, employers had to find alternative ways to entice workers to hire on with them. One of these incentives was free health insurance / care. Larger employers opened their own clinics and hospitals giving workers free access. Others offered health insurance that paid all costs of healthcare. When the war ended, and the wage and price controls ended too, this benefit continued and more employers started offering plans. Insurance companies stepped in to manage plans for employers. It became an expected part of employment for the employer to offer health insurance that was paid for in whole or part by the employer.

That's how our system evolved to today. Attempts to nationalize health care have continued but are largely resisted both by the public and by health care providers who recognize they would be seriously harmed if the government took over. The compromise is a national health insurance plan being offered--like the half assed Obamacare one.
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Obamacare, which the right-wing donkeys are trying to eliminate, is one of the greatest safety-net programs of all time...ranking up there with Social Security.

But the Donkey-in-Chief is going to replace it with a program that will be cheaper, cover more expenses, and apply to more people. The plan is still an idea...but it will be ready in two weeks...or just after Mexico agrees to pay for the great wall that will be built across the southern border...and after the wall is built.

Whichever comes first.

Fucking Trumpers are assholes.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's an estimate and nothing more. Based on past budgets, it's also complete fiction.

Here's one from 2013. It too is bullshit (note: I just picked an easy example, I'm not bashing Obama here).


So, just because some talking head or another says "This will add to the national debt..." doesn't mean it's true.
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No, pretty much the bottom line amongst economists, and some even went as high as 4%, but it is the CBO estimate, 3.3% on the Senate version/3.9% on the House’s, that stands. No recognized authority has offered an estimate that it will cost dramatically less

And the CBO estimated Trump’s first term would add 8% to the debt, and that number today stands at 7.8%, 2.5% on his tax cuts alone, which are even greater in this bill
 
Ross Dolan said:
Obamacare, which the right-wing donkeys are trying to eliminate, is one of the greatest safety-net programs of all time...ranking up there with Social Security.
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It changed nothing except made most people buying individual health insurance plans get one through an Obamacare exchange. The number of uninsured in the US has remained largely the same, and the only significant change in that was due to expanded Medicaid which the Democrats, as I demonstrated, tried to weasel the states into paying for. Now the bill is due and the cost can't be covered.
Ross Dolan said:
But the Donkey-in-Chief is going to replace it with a program that will be cheaper, cover more expenses, and apply to more people. The plan is still an idea...but it will be ready in two weeks...or just after Mexico agrees to pay for the great wall that will be built across the southern border...and after the wall is built.
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Better it just be eliminated altogether. Obamacare's main thing is more bureaucracy resulting in higher costs.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'd say, at this point, federal spending is in a death spiral. It is impossible to avoid debt rising because most government spending is mandatory with mandatory increases to match inflation.
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So why are you then supporting a huge tax cut?

And yes, entitlements are the problem, but you can’t address the debt or entitlements if your discretionary spending is increasing
 
archives said:
No, pretty much the bottom line amongst economists, and some even went as high as 4%, but it is the CBO estimate, 3.3% on the Senate version/3.9% on the House’s, that stands. No recognized authority has offered an estimate that it will cost dramatically less

And the CBO estimated Trump’s first term would add 8% to the debt, and that number today stands at 7.8%, 2.5% on his tax cuts alone, which are even greater in this bill
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The estimates are wrong like 110% of the time.
 
BartenderElite said:
It will set the GOP back for a generation.
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Doubtful, with the 24/7 news cycle new issues and controversies will replace it, of which Trump is a master at manipulating, at best, it might hurt the GOP in the midterms. Americans are intellectually lazy, and don’t understand on things reach them till it effects them directly

Need proof, no one, anywhere, anyplace, could be so wrong so many times continuously as the GOP was on Covid, and today, they are the majority party
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Because that means people get to keep the money they earned rather than let the government waste it.

Then let's get rid of the entitlements.
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Sounds good, but somebody has to pay for all the services you receive, or are you recommending everything including the armed services be privatized

Yeah, good luck with that one. You can’t get rid of entitlements, but you can revise some of them, but the biggest plus would be reducing discretionary spending
 
Jarod said:
b][/color]What are your thoughts on TACO's the Felon's HUGE SPENDING BILL, projected to ballon the Debt?
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What's with all the whiny drivel? You had no issues with the for more MASSIVE budget and deficit busting bills during Biden's failed Presidency.

Hypocrite much? :lolup: Dunce thinks Democrats are winning. :laugh:

.....TACO.....felon....
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archives said:
You kidding, they only know, or care to know, what Fox tells them, and Fox does what Trump tells them, so all they know is that it is a “big, beautiful bill”

Pretty much the same with most issues
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:lolup: Says the whiny brainless douchebag that only listens to what MSNBC and the DNC fills his empty head with. :laugh:
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archives said:
So that means adding three and half trillion more to it is a good idea?
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More bullshit from the whiny lying leftist hypocrite.

Did you cry this much when Biden added $6.17 trillion?

In his first year in control of the federal budget from September 2021 to September 2022, the debt grew by about $2.5 trillion. In his second year, it grew by $2.24 trillion. The national debt has grown by $1.43 trillion so far this year.
 
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