Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
its the libertarian Elon faction.
yes they're fascist fuckups as i tell them everyday.
and their Religious Book Atlas Shrugged is dumb as fuck as attempts to paint Oligarchs as victims.
so fucking dumb and retarded.
Do Democrats Really Hate the Working Class? Of Course They Do, They Always Have, Now They're Saying it Loud and Proud. I've Got the Receipts.
yes they're fascist fuckups as i tell them everyday.
and their Religious Book Atlas Shrugged is dumb as fuck as attempts to paint Oligarchs as victims.
so fucking dumb and retarded.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
You two should try to elevate yourselves to a level above the ignorant redneck, white trash peckerwood status at which you currently exist...
Into the Night
Verified User
No, it doesn't.
No such thing. If you want to quit, do so.
What "20 hour work days for children"????
Safety is not a law.
Capitalism is not fascism. A conservative is not a libertarian.
Go learn English.
Into the Night
Verified User
Elon Musk is not a libertarian. Redefinition fallacy.
Capitalisim is not fascism. Redefinition fallacy.
The book "Atlas Shrugged" is not a religious book. Capitalism is not oligarchy. Redefinition fallacy.
Go learn English.
Into the Night
Verified User
Bigotry. Stop acting like a little whiny child.
I agree with some of what you said.
If we did away with considering corporations a "person" that would mean we could not tax the corporation - are you good with that?
Poor troll, not smart enough to play with the big dogs...
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
I don't play with dogs period.
Big or little.
That's more along the lines of your intellectual capacity.
Doesn't mean that at all; it means they aren't entitled to the same leg rights as a ;person', since they aren't people, they're organizations, they're a legal fiction. The Founders never intended that, it was a post Civil War scam. They then turn around and claim 'double taxation', which of course contradicts their own premises when people are taxed on their dividends and well as a corporate tax on incomes, which is absurd. It's just a legal dodge meant to swindle the public.
Some of the issues discussed here:
No, Corporations Aren't People, and It's a Good Thing, Too
A new book explains that denying corporate personhood has been the key to protecting the rights of shareholders
reason.com
It's as absurd a gimmick as giving animals a vote or applying the Bill Of Rights to a brick. As for taxes, I oppose payroll taxes on wages, those are barter, not real income as defined in old school economics. There are all kinds of taxation methods, like tariffs, sales taxes, etc., without resorting to robbing workers directly. Military spending for instance could be funded by Federal real estate taxes; the military is about defending land and ownership rights of citizens, after all. This would also play a role in keeping land in public hands and stop hoarding land and avoiding taxes by scams like zoning it 'agricultural' and paying much lower rates while holding off the markets and inflating the sale price while those actually using the land have to pay a higher tax rate.
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Into the Night
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Your loss!
Into the Night
Verified User
You seem to be arguing against yourself. Which way is it, Edwina??Doesn't mean that at all; it means they aren't entitled to the same leg rights as a ;person', since they aren't people, they're organizations, they're a legal fiction. The Founders never intended that, it was a post Civil War scam. They then turn around and claim 'double taxation', which of course contradicts their own premises when people are taxed on their dividends and well as a corporate tax on incomes, which is absurd. It's just a legal dodge meant to swindle the public.
Some of the issues discussed here:
No, Corporations Aren't People, and It's a Good Thing, Too
A new book explains that denying corporate personhood has been the key to protecting the rights of shareholders
It's as absurd a gimmick as giving animals a vote or applying the Bill Of Rights to a brick. As for taxes, I oppose payroll taxes on wages, those are barter, not real income as defined in old school economics. There are all kinds of taxation methods, like tariffs, sales taxes, etc., without resorting to robbing workers directly. Military spending for instance could be funded by Federal real estate taxes; the military is about defending land and ownership rights of citizens, after all. This would also play a role in keeping land in public hands and stop hoarding land and avoiding taxes by scams like zoning it 'agricultural' and paying much lower rates while holding off the markets and inflating the sale price while those actually using the land have to pay a higher tax rate.
You still seem like a confused basement dweller.
Into the Night
Verified User
So you can't answer the question?
Ah, racist stereotypes from the ecommie faggots. What a shock. from the Diversity Drones.
What question? You just posted some garbled attempt at playing thought Police on the innernetz, as usual.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Ah, ignorant right-wing stereotype from a MAGAfag crybaby.
What a shock.
Go ahead and find a post where I've pushed or harped on diversity.
Into the Night
Verified User
Okay. You can't answer the question. You insist on staying locked in paradox and being irrational. You are no better than Scott.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Yes, you would be confused by real life; most ideologues are. That's why they're ideologues, after all.
Jefferson saw too that funding had unleashed a speculative craze in New York and other commercial hubs.A hot mass of feelings, Jefferson exclaimed that America was being transformed into a “gaming table”. Already, he contended, the new national government was imperiled by the financial mania. A”corrupt squadron of paper dealers”, whom he labeled as “stock jobbers”driven solely by pecuniary interests, had surfaced within Congress,and the day was coming when they and their kind would have the resources to sway a congressional majority. Furthermore, Jefferson cautioned, their gamester ethic would corrode the traditional frugality and industry that defined the American character. …
During 1790 the notion took shape in Jefferson's mind that unless Hamilton was stopped, America would someday be dominated by huge financial institutions. Commercial avarice would dominate the national mores, and ever larger chunks of the American population would the propertyless denizens of of vast,squalid cities. … Indeed, those who lived in such a checkered society would not be free, and as they lost their independence,republicanism would be relegated to the scrap heap of the past.
pages 51-52. Adams vs. Jefferson:The Tumultuous Election of 1800- by John Ferling, Oxford University Press.
The corrupting hazard of paper debts has been known for a long time, and considered worse than kings and foreign armies as threats.
"While it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from Nature at all… it is considered by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no one has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land… Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"…legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property… Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right."
-- Thomas Jefferson (in a letter to James Madison), 1785
"While it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from Nature at all… it is considered by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no one has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land…Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"…legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property… Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point,and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right."
-- Thomas Jefferson (in a letter to James Madison), 1785
Most modern 'libertarians' hate the real libertarians among our Founders, which is why i find them so hilarious and ignorant, especially 'social libertarians, mostly chaos monkeys and mentally ill sexual fetishists.
"Most libertarians ignore the fact that all rights (including property rights) are created, maintained, and constrained by force or the credible threat of forceful retaliation. The few that admit this propose to use the market to distribute rights; but most people wouldn't like to see rights distributed as unevenly as incomes."
-- Mike Huben
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Allahu Akbar
I prefer the dogs that have been in my life to any democrat I've ever met. Dogs are loyal, affectionate, always happy to see you. Much better than people.
But dogs have a sense about evil, so that you hate dogs is no surprise at all. They sniff you out.