Grok, is atheism a religion?

Truth Detector said:
Hey sadsack, when are you going to ask Dutch Uncle to address the topic instead of me?
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That is not why that poster is on JPP. His entire raison d'etre is to attack people personally. He has some serious issues.

Ask him some time about his "near death experience". He claims to have had an NDE but also claims he wasn't near death. Ask him about it. It really pisses him off if you don't believe him. It's kinda funny to watch him lose his shit even more than he usually does.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
These are your first through third posts on this thread, sir. It's a clear sign of dementia that you ramble immediately off topic and lack the ability to be coherent much less accept responsibility for your actions.
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:lolup: Doesn't think he's mentally deranged.
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Daylight63 said:
That is not why that poster is on JPP. His entire raison d'etre is to attack people personally. He has some serious issues.
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On that point, we are in agreement. He does have serious mental issues. I'm just pointing out to the other mentally deranged hypocrite that he never whines when that dotard engages.

Daylight63 said:
Ask him some time about his "near death experience". He claims to have had an NDE but also claims he wasn't near death. Ask him about it. It really pisses him off if you don't believe him. It's kinda funny to watch him lose his shit even more than he usually does.
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I wouldn't want to waste my time. I just wish he would have a real one. ;)
 
Daylight63 said:
What atheists "believe" is that one should have access to objective facts before hypothesizing the existence of something.
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Incorrect. We are free to believe there is life elsewhere in the universe without objective facts.

Scientists freely speculate and have opinions about a multiverse or dark energy without objective evidence.

What seems to be happening is that militant atheists want to adopt an agnostic posture about not believing anything, so they can have the luxury of complaining about Christianity, without having to defend anything themselves.

That cloak of protection and immunity is an enviable debate position to maneuver yourself into, if you can pull it off.
 
Cypress said:
Incorrect. We are free to believe there is life elsewhere in the universe without objective facts.

Scientists freely speculate and have opinions about a multiverse or dark energy without objective evidence.
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No, multiverse is a physics issue, not mysticism.
 
Cypress said:
Incorrect. We are free to believe there is life elsewhere in the universe without objective facts.

Scientists freely speculate and have opinions about a multiverse or dark energy without objective evidence.

What seems to be happening is that militant atheists want to adopt an agnostic posture about not believing anything, so they can have the luxury of complaining about Christianity, without having to defend anything themselves.

That cloak of protection and immunity is an enviable debate position to maneuver yourself into, if you can pull it off.
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All great points that will be lost on our little Perry.

People should be able to defend their points of view logically. If they can't, then they should admit it's a matter of faith, not fact.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
All great points that will be lost on our little Perry.

People should be able to defend their points of view logically. If they can't, then they should admit it's a matter of faith, not fact.
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It's a great debate position to maneuver yourself into, if you can complain about someone else's belief, without having to defend your own.

You either believe a diety exists -- you believe they don't exist -- or you're not sure.

It's not complicated. Everyone has had decades to think about it, and land on one of those three positions.
 
Cypress said:
Incorrect.
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You aren't an atheist. You have never demonstrated any understanding of atheism in any post I've read so why do you think your opinion is correct?

Cypress said:
What seems to be happening is that militant atheists want to adopt an agnostic posture
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Like I said, it is abundantly clear from this sentence alone that you don't understand atheism. All you understand is one type of atheism.

I suggest you read more in the area. Learn about the various types of atheism. When you talk to an atheist like myself we tend to wish you would come to the topic either with humility of your ignorance of with a modicum of interest in the topic.

Cypress said:
That cloak of protection and immunity is an enviable debate position to maneuver yourself into, if you can pull it off.
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Given what is clearly your lack of understanding of the entire topic of atheism I'm going to write this sentence off as just more of your uninformed blather.
 
Cypress said:
It's a great debate position to maneuver yourself into, if you can complain about someone else's belief, without having to defend your own.

You either believe a diety exists -- you believe they don't exist -- or you're not sure.
It's not complicated. Everyone has had decades to think about it, and land on one of those three positions.
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True, but it's quickly recognized as being an immature one...which is where most militant atheists live. LOL

Agreed on the summation. History and modern assessments indicate most people have a sense of spiritual need just like they have for psychological and physical needs. Maybe atheists over 30 are lacking somehow like a person who is colorblind or completely blind? They can't see the use of spirituality because they don't have it within themselves to appreciate it? Again, I think most are simply immature. Their ages are a great indicator. As for the older ones, like the Four Horsemen of New Atheism, they are just making a buck on it like televangelists.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
True, but it's quickly recognized as being an immature one
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So you're like Cypress and you don't know about atheism either?

Wow. TWO MORONS AT ONCE!

And both love each other so much. I guess I see why now. You are two morons who reinforce each other's stupidity.

LEARN SOME PHILOSOPHY, Douche


If you need help I'll provide it but you and @Cypress need to ask nicely. Be decent for a change. Not a couple of douches.
 
DAYAM I didn't realize people could be SO UNINFORMED about atheism than these two mouthbreathers! It's literally like neither of them have EVER read anything about atheism.

But it makes sense since reading is hardly their "forte". Bitching and showing off to make people think them smarter is their game. Too bad someone who actually IS smarter than them came along!

Better ban me!
 
Daylight63 said:
You aren't an atheist. You have never demonstrated any understanding of atheism in any post I've read so why do you think your opinion is correct?



Like I said, it is abundantly clear from this sentence alone that you don't understand atheism. All you understand is one type of atheism.

I suggest you read more in the area. Learn about the various types of atheism. When you talk to an atheist like myself we tend to wish you would come to the topic either with humility of your ignorance of with a modicum of interest in the topic.



Given what is clearly your lack of understanding of the entire topic of atheism I'm going to write this sentence off as just more of your uninformed blather.
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Thanks for not refuting or disagreeing with me, and even tacitly conceding that belief does not have to be based on direct evidence.

Belief can be based on logical deduction, inference, intuition, experience, heuristics, or gut-feeling.

Science is a wonderful thing, but you over estimate how much scientific evidence we actually need in daily life, and you seem to have placed science on a pedestal and made it an object of worship.
 
Cypress said:
Thanks for not refuting or disagreeing with me, and even tacitly conceding that belief does not have to be based on direct evidence.
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You don't don't seem to even understand all of atheism. Why would I bother responding to any "points" you make since they are related only to one variant and then even not in the way you understand it.

Science is a wonderful thing, but you over estimate how much scientific evidence we actually need in daily life, and you seem to have placed science on a pedestal and made it an object of worship.
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No, I disagree primarily because you don't seem to actually understand science OR atheism. You have done a lot of talking which indicates a profound lack of knowledge in these areas.

Your cartoon view of atheism belies what is probably a much larger misunderstanding of these areas of epistemology.
 
Cypress said:
Thanks for not refuting or disagreeing with me, and even tacitly conceding that belief does not have to be based on direct evidence.

Belief can be based on logical deduction, inference, intuition, experience, heuristics, or gut-feeling.

Science is a wonderful thing, but you over estimate how much scientific evidence we actually need in daily life, and you seem to have placed science on a pedestal and made it an object of worship.
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If you think I overemphasize "science", how about the justice system. Would that work for you? The US Justice system is the best analogue for my atheism. But I suspect you wouldn't necessarily understand the subtlety. Let's just say your view of atheists as people who say "there is no God" is not really the whole story. You have to have MUCH more training to understand it.
 
Daylight63 said:
If you think I overemphasize "science", how about the justice system. Would that work for you? The US Justice system is the best analogue for my atheism. But I suspect you wouldn't necessarily understand the subtlety. Let's just say your view of atheists as people who say "there is no God" is not really the whole story. You have to have MUCH more training to understand it.
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You don't use the federal justice system or any scientific experiment to believe your mom loves you, to believe your friends can be trusted, or to believe if your wife is loyal.

You're so busy putting science on a pedestal and worshipping it, you've forgotten how normal human life operates.

You've had decades to decide if you think deities exist, whether you believe deities don't exist, or if you simply don't know.

Decades of thinking about it is more than enough time to land on one of those three options.
 
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