Put "drag" and "cars" in the same post and @AProudLefty can't grasp a quip about "drag cars."
That is astoundingly dull witted, to be sure.
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Put "drag" and "cars" in the same post and @AProudLefty can't grasp a quip about "drag cars."
That is astoundingly dull witted, to be sure.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Thinks he was being clever.
Dull of wit ya are....
T. A. Gardner
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No, it isn't. A gun show is primarily a business arrangement. People aren't simply present to display and talk about firearms, they come to buy and sell them. The state has a right to regulate business and can set restrictions on where and when businesses of some sort operate. Banning gun shows at county fairs is a valid and legal thing the state can do.
What the state can't do in this respect is ban gun sales entirely, or nearly so, or make regulations so onerous it has the same effect. Banning sales at one venue, and a fairly minor one at that, is within their right.
Into the Night
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Rights do not come from a piece of paper, Wally. Selling cocaine is not a right.
No, it can't, Wally. It is publicly owned.
Selling guns is a legal activity. Gun shows are also a legal activity. You can't ban them from publicly owned property. Your hoplophobia is not an excuse, Wally.
Into the Night
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The 2nd, 9th, and 10th amendments.
Children are incapable of participating in a contract, Wally. Criminals are locked up (or should be!). As far as keeping them from Sybil, not a problem. They are institutionized.
A gun show is not a gun store, Wally.
If a landlord is renting retail space, they must conform to the landlord/tenant laws of a State, and cannot discriminate against a gun store simply because they want to sell guns. States are authorized to do this due to their own constitutions, and the 14th amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
Speech and expressing opinions does not have to be verbal, Wally.
Into the Night
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Tbird19482
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Talking to yourself again in the mirror.LIF. Grow up.
Into the Night
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It is a business arrangement with a public venue. This type of discrimination is illegal (at least according to the State of California).
So?
It has no authority to discriminate, dude.
Banning gun shows at county fairgrounds is illegal. You can't discriminate that way, dude.
No, it isn't. It is a public venue. They are not allowed to discriminate on a public venue. They cannot discriminate against a gun show using public fairgrounds.
Into the Night
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IBDaMann
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Both are speech/expression; whether they are protected depends on the location.
T. A. Gardner
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California licenses businesses and regulates their activities. One aspect of that is where they can do business.
That would be speech. Business transactions are not a protected form of speech.
It isn't discrimination for the state to make rules about where, even when, business can occur. Or, do you really think you can just open, say, a gas station in your front yard because you want to and the state has no say in that?
No, it's not. The government can say, "There will be no gun sales at this particular venue (eg., the county fair). Trade in firearms elsewhere.
Sure they can. They could say, well, we're not going to allow say blacksmithing at the county fair because of safety, fire, and pollution issues. Or, they could say, that topless dancing is not going to be allowed. They can put restrictions on what can and cannot go on at a county fair. The public fairgrounds are not some on rules or law zone like you are trying to claim.
IBDaMann
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... is also expression. I believe the selling of firearms at gun shows is the target of economy assassins.
IBDaMann
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Gun shows and gun sales are not the same thing. One is protected under the 1st Amendment and the other can be regulated.
T. A. Gardner
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It was a gun show for buying and selling firearms. That's what gun shows do. That was what was being done in this case.
From the article in post #6:
A federal appeals court panel on June 11 upheld California’s ban on gun shows at county fairs and other public properties, deciding the laws do not violate the rights of firearm sellers or buyers.
...the appeals court decided the laws prohibit only sales agreements on public property — not discussions, advertisements or other speech about firearms. The bans “do not directly or inevitably restrict any expressive activity,” Judge Richard Clifton wrote in Tuesday’s ruling.
This was the gist of the plaintiff's argument:
Gun shows attract thousands of prospective buyers to local fairgrounds. Under a separate state law, not challenged in the case, actual purchase of a firearm at a gun show is completed at a licensed gun store after a 10-day waiting period and a background check, Clifton noted.
What the plaintiff's were upset with is they were losing a good venue for gun sales and didn't like that.
Federal appeals court upholds Calif. law banning gun shows at county fairs
Panel said the laws prohibit only sales agreements on public property — not discussions, advertisements or other speech about firearms.
firstamendment.mtsu.edu
IBDaMann
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Are you pointing out that dictators eat breakfast, drink water, discuss current events, watch sporting events, have family members and speak in public? Yes? You are spot on.
Your clarity is matched only by your grammar.
IBDaMann
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Nope. Firearm commerce is merely an optional component. The right of the people to peaceably assemble and to engage in free speech is what gun shows "do."
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
You didn't read the article or even what I posted.
...the appeals court decided the laws prohibit only sales agreements on public property — not discussions, advertisements or other speech about firearms. The bans “do not directly or inevitably restrict any expressive activity,” Judge Richard Clifton wrote in Tuesday’s ruling.
People can go to the county fair and talk about guns, advertise guns, show films about guns, but they cannot go there and buy and sell guns. Speech was not restricted per the court's ruling.
IBDaMann
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I suggest learning the difference between "ruling by" and "utilizing."
Yes, of course. Donald Trump pushes the rule of law. We all push that.
You mistakenly think you know what people think.
Into the Night
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California is no longer a State of the Union, dude. I call it the SDTC now. They do not recognize the Constitution of the United nor the Constitution of the State of California. It's current form of government is dictatorship.
I'm talking about landlord/tenant laws, dude. Such discrimination would be illegal under the State of California law.
A federal court cannot write law nor cancel or change any constitution.
Yes it is, dude. There is no other word for it.
If my front yard happens to be zoned in commercial space, then yes...I can. The State has no say in that. All they can do is apply the appropriate building codes and plumbing codes for such an installation.
A dictatorship can, but they are ignoring landload/tenant laws and the Constitution of the State of California to do it.
Nope. They can't do that either, and blacksmithing demonstrations are most commonplace at county fairs.
It is allowed, and even on county fair property. It can be banned from the county fair itself, due to the nature of having children at the fair.
But not the use of fairgrounds when the fair isn't running.
I am not claiming any 'law zone' (whatever THAT is!) or any rule. Public fairgrounds are public property and anything (like gun shows, topless dances, casino nights, etc.) are all legal business activities that must be allowed according to the laws of the State of California, which doesn't have any authority to discriminate.
Extreme argument fallacy. Buzzword fallacy.