Oil Rig Explodes off LA Coast

Superfreak said:
Actually, they stated that IF they could not get the leak under control, THEN it would take two months to drill another line.
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I didn't read what your read but the drilling of a well would be to control the leak. They have 8 ROV trying to activate a BOP unsuccessfully so far.
 
Superfreak said:
So, by your logic we shouldn't ship oil overseas either? Did we not just have a tanker incident in TX earlier this year?

You mention the lives of the 11 crew members (unlike you, I will not be sexist and assume they are all men) on the rig, yet dismiss the comparison to the miners.

You mention the environmental impact of the spill, but neglect the impact of the coal mine?

You immediately go into the damage to the beaches etc... and effecting MILLIONS of lives... all the while the oil is still 30 miles off shore.

I urge you to look again at the article that shows off shore drilling can ALSO help ease the environmental impact of natural oil/gas seepage.

The knee jerk reaction of 'shut down all off shore drilling' because of this incident is ridiculous. Which is why I countered with all the other exaggerated incidents.
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Wow, what an astounding use of logic. Aristotle would be proud of our ability to build irrelevent strawmen.
 
Topspin said:
You live in Texas you should know something about the oil industry.

spills happen monthly, granted this is prob the biggest in a decade but they happen.
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Biggest in a decade? Why do you talk in the past tense? It's not done spilling. Projections are that it will continue to spill oil at 50,000 gallons a day for two more months (minimum) before they can drill a by pass well to shut it off. That will make this the biggest oil spill in human history and we all know about the catastrophic impact Exon Valdez had on the Alaskan shore line. You're not going to poo poo this one away that easy!
 
Southern Man said:
So you support nuclear power?
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This aint about being for or against oil. This is about letting the dumbasses drill for oil in areas where they shouldn't because of it's impact on humans. It's easy not to give a fuck about the largest oil spill in human history when it's not your life that's being impacted.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Biggest in a decade? Why do you talk in the past tense? It's not done spilling. Projections are that it will continue to spill oil at 50,000 gallons a day for two more months (minimum) before they can drill a by pass well to shut it off. That will make this the biggest oil spill in human history and we all know about the catastrophic impact Exon Valdez had on the Alaskan shore line. You're not going to poo poo this one away that easy!
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nice try, but way short. It would take 260 days to top Valdez. While not impossible they will have a relief well drilled way before 100 days.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
This aint about being for or against oil. This is about letting the dumbasses drill for oil in areas where they shouldn't because of it's impact on humans. It's easy not to give a fuck about the largest oil spill in human history when it's not your life that's being impacted.
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Do you even know how far Offshore this spill was?
 
Topspin said:
You'll be long dead before we are off oil. This country has the best clean up capability and shouldn't shift the environmental risk to 3rd world countries.
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Well you're going to get an opportunity to do just that and none of us are going to one to hear any of your pissing and moaning about the outrageous cost. Which will include getting your asses sued off by all the peoples who's property will be damaged. You aint going to dump a few tons of crude on my property then haul it away with a dump truck and think that's a done deal. You're going to pay for fucking up my property and the property of several million other people too.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Wow, what an astounding use of logic. Aristotle would be proud of our ability to build irrelevent strawmen.
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1) It isn't a straw man... it is just an extension of your logic. More knee jerk reactions.

2) I notice you are not addressing the BENEFITS of off shore drilling for the environment. Why is that? Oh yeah, because you want to spaz out.
 
Control what you can control.

We can control regulations on these industries to make them much safer.

They accept and follow the rules then they get to drill.

BTW the coal mine that exploded was non union, see how unions help us regulate?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Biggest in a decade? Why do you talk in the past tense? It's not done spilling. Projections are that it will continue to spill oil at 50,000 gallons a day for two more months (minimum) before they can drill a by pass well to shut it off. That will make this the biggest oil spill in human history and we all know about the catastrophic impact Exon Valdez had on the Alaskan shore line. You're not going to poo poo this one away that easy!
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WRONG again spaz.

Exxon Valdez spilled 11 million gallons. It would take almost NINE months at the rate of this spill to equal the Exxon spill.
 
leaningright said:
I'm still all for it. How long and how many rigs have been operating in the gulf before this happened. Things will clean up down there. The environment will right itself eventually.

Sometimes bad things happen.
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That's a pretty insensitive, simplistic, and frankly callous way to blow this off. It's easy for any of us to throw our hands in the air and proclaim that "shit happens".

We aren't one of the thousands of fisherman and alaskans who lost money, face economic ruin, not to mention the psychological damage that parallelled the economic disaster: bankruptcies, suicides and divorces.

Do we need to drill? Yes. Do accident indeed happen sometimes? Yes.

That's not the larger point. The point is how these accidents have happened historically, and how the legion of corporate lawyers fended off reasonable attempts by fisherman and average blokes to sue for economic and punitive damages.

Exxon never cleaned up their mess. And they spent 20 years in court, with their army of lawyers, fending off attempt by some fisherman to hold exxon accountable. With this recent BP spill, it turns out the government was proposing stricter environmental and safety regulations last year, and BP unleashed their army of lobbyists claiming that they could voluntarily self-regulate.

"long live deregulation".

Love,

Ronald Reagan.


Do you remember those TV images of the workers exxon sent up to valdez with the high pressure steam hoses to "clean" the oil? You know what that did? Nothing. It just pushed the oil into the soil, and underground. And the toxic affects of doing that linger to this day. Exxon was more concerned about public relations. They just wanted to get the oil off of television screens - out of sight, out of mind - rather than listen to actual scientists and experts on oil clean up. I think I read a while back that the halibut have never returned to Prince William sound in any appreciable numbers, and there hasn't been a commercial halibut fishing season in two decades.

How do you put a price on that? How do you put a price on the economic and pyschological damage exxon willfully inflicted?

Now, is BP going to be more honorable than Exxon? Time will tell. But if BPs fighting off more regulation by employing the laughable claim that they can self-regulate is any indication, I'm not going to hold my breath.

The bottom line is that accidents will happen. But when they do, the problem is that the accidents often are from willful neglect of reasonable safety and environmental concerns, and when accidents happen some of the oil mulitnationals have a habit of using their army of lawyers to escape reasonable responsibility and punishment.

So, in short, I don't agree with you with regard to throwing our arms up in the air, and claiming shit happens. There's generally more to stuff like this than some simple, innocent accident.
 
not to pick on BP but they had that terrible explosion South of Houston a couple years ago that exposed thier less than stellar saftey record. We are better, though none of us is perfect and yes tighter regs prob needed. Exxon raped alaska without the courtesy of a reach around.
 
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