got your papers?

That portion says nothing about what they "look" like, it is not reasonable to assume that anybody of darker pigment is not a citizen based solely on that pigmentation.

'lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration'

while true it doesn't say anything about what they 'look' like, I think the above portion is where DQ is making his point. If someone is 'contacted' while behaving in a lawful manner, then what reasonable suspicion would exist?

The only thing I can think of is... hey... he is Hispanic... let me check him out.

I am open to hearing other explanations of what that could possibly be referring to.
 
you're the one who got all pissy...."did i say that" etc...

and then:

not your lame attempt to interpret it

that is basically saying i twisted your words, your entire response reads like someone who is pissed because i twisted your words

you seriously need to get a life. You are acting like a friggin lunatic with these petty attempts to pick fights on a message board.

When you grow up, have someone let me know.
 
'lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration'

while true it doesn't say anything about what they 'look' like, I think the above portion is where DQ is making his point. If someone is 'contacted' while behaving in a lawful manner, then what reasonable suspicion would exist?

The only thing I can think of is... hey... he is Hispanic... let me check him out.

I am open to hearing other explanations of what that could possibly be referring to.

Anything to perpetuate your idiotic libertarian open border stupidity eh? sure throw it on the wall, see if it sticks. Arizonians have had it with their federal government ignoring their safety and well-being. Take your globalism and shove it hard.
 
'lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration'

while true it doesn't say anything about what they 'look' like, I think the above portion is where DQ is making his point. If someone is 'contacted' while behaving in a lawful manner, then what reasonable suspicion would exist?

The only thing I can think of is... hey... he is Hispanic... let me check him out.

I am open to hearing other explanations of what that could possibly be referring to.
1. This ignores what "lawful contact" is.
2. Lawful contact specifically prohibits such determinations based on race, many lawsuits have been won based on this fact, and many more would be won if this was how they determined such a suspicion.
3. Lawful contact would require reason to pull them over or suspect them of a crime. In short, they'd ask any of us for our identification at that point and it would be the identification provided that would provide a reasonable idea whether a person was or wasn't here legally.
 
you seriously need to get a life. You are acting like a friggin lunatic with these petty attempts to pick fights on a message board.

When you grow up, have someone let me know.

when you learn what a question mark is so you don't get pissy when someone asks you a question, let me know

thanks!
 
arizona legislature passes bill that requires any person that does not look like an american citizen to produces papers proving that they are a citizens or a legal resident

all it requires is the governors signature

however, i think that it is unconstitutional on the face of it:eek:

I don't know. If I were living in that state and the illegals were flooding over the border in droves, I might be swayed in this direction. Arizona is waiting for the Feds to step in and do what they promised with border patrol. Arizona is bankrupt and can't do it themselves.

These thugs are crossing the border and many who are going back and forth at whim already have criminal records in the state. They aren't crossing illegally for good. It's for drug traffiking and other crimes.
 
Nice strawman you've got there. Have fun knocking it about.

It's not a strawman at all. You don't get to be all in everyone's face and not expect the same in return. Ask Zappa about that one, dung.

The height of your naivete is believing good things will come with the government at the helm of the ship your life is a passenger on. When you're standing in line at 72 expecting to have plaque removed from your carotid artery that will save your life and the doctor looks you dead in the eye and tells you the government has decided you're not young enough to make it worth their while, I hope we will be around to say: "I told you so."

No, Virginia. There ISN'T a Santa Claus.
 
Anything to perpetuate your idiotic libertarian open border stupidity eh? sure throw it on the wall, see if it sticks. Arizonians have had it with their federal government ignoring their safety and well-being. Take your globalism and shove it hard.

Wow... you really spazzed out there. FYI... I am most certainly not for an open border policy. Not in the least. But this particular law has the potential to work against the movement for tighter border security.

While AZ certainly is fed up with the loose border protection, there are millions of hispanic citizens in this country. Laws like this are likely to work against groups who desire tighter security. The reason, in my opinion, is that groups opposed to tighter security will highlight every single incident where a citizen of this country has to 'prove themselves' to the cop when they are doing nothing wrong.
 
I'm getting tired of getting called a racist by members of La Raza coming here to reclaim the southwest in the Reconquista aka operation kill whitey.

So unbrainwash yourselfs you jew brainwashed morons.
 
Wow... you really spazzed out there. FYI... I am most certainly not for an open border policy. Not in the least. But this particular law has the potential to work against the movement for tighter border security.

While AZ certainly is fed up with the loose border protection, there are millions of hispanic citizens in this country. Laws like this are likely to work against groups who desire tighter security. The reason, in my opinion, is that groups opposed to tighter security will highlight every single incident where a citizen of this country has to 'prove themselves' to the cop when they are doing nothing wrong.

all bullshit. You're a moron.
 
What a dumb, fascist law. You are not the property of the state. They have no right to force you to carry you fucking immigration papers around at all times. This is unconstitutional and just goes to show that the right if fascist when the state hurts human beings and anarchists when the state could do some good. They're are pretty much anti-human and anti-decency in all regards.
 
i got this from cnn

the arizona legislature has passed the bill and the governor has indicated support

the bill has more than majority support among arizona voters (approximately 74% support)

I wouldn't care if it was 99.9%. Arizona does not have the authority to pass this unconstitutional law, and everyone who violated their oath of office by supporting it should be removed from office.
 
when you learn what a question mark is so you don't get pissy when someone asks you a question, let me know

thanks!

Again you little spastic retard... if you note... I answered your question with a question of my own. Then you spazzed out like you have been doing non stop recently. Since you refuse to grow up.... bye.
 
enforcing immigration law is not fascism. The banks controlling government is fascism. In fact the fascists want to open the border to drive down labor costs and dilute the native population more likely to remember america's freedom oriented past.

your fascism detector is maladjusted. twirp.
 
do you have a problem with officer's stopping suspicious people on the street if they reasonably suspect a crime has been committed?

what about customs officers? border agents? they can both stop and search your person, belongings for less cause. do you also believe that is wrong?

and once again, you can't show me from the bill where it says that.

And what makes you a suspicious illegal immigrant? Being brown?
 
1. This ignores what "lawful contact" is.
2. Lawful contact specifically prohibits such determinations based on race, many lawsuits have been won based on this fact, and many more would be won if this was how they determined such a suspicion.
3. Lawful contact would require reason to pull them over or suspect them of a crime. In short, they'd ask any of us for our identification at that point and it would be the identification provided that would provide a reasonable idea whether a person was or wasn't here legally.

ok... I wasn't aware of the definition of lawful contact.
 
Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

PHOENIX – Gov. Jan Brewer ignored criticism from President Barack Obama on Friday and signed into law a bill supporters said would take handcuffs off police in dealing with illegal immigration in Arizona, the nation's gateway for human and drug smugglers.

With hundreds of people surrounding the state Capitol, protesting that the bill would lead to civil rights abuses, Brewer said she wouldn't tolerate racial profiling. She said critics were "overreacting."


"We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act," Brewer said after signing the law. "But decades of inaction and misguided policy have created a dangerous and unacceptable situation
."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100423/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_enforcement

:good4u:
 
There are groups in this part of the country who are already going to do just that. They are going to keep stats on who gets checked for their citizenship. I promise you that when white people are pulled over, they are not going to get inquiries into their citizenship. Everyday, just 15 miles north of where I am right now there is a border check station where they ask citizenship. EVERYONE gets asked that question, but Hispanics get asked things like, whose car is this, why are you going north etc. My brother gets asked on a regular basis who his wife is when he is in his car with their 4 children. She is Hispanic. I on the other hand have gone through that same check station not only with my current wife, who is white, but my ex-wife who is also white, and not once have I been asked who either of them were, They asked our citizenship and sent us on our way. 8 years ago, a federal judge was traveling on I-25 to a judicial conference in Albuquerque. He was in a 70's model Chevy pick-up, wearing a flannel shirt and jeans with a straw hat on. The border agent asked him his citizenship, asked him where he was going, and when Judge Galvan said to Albuquerque for a federal judges conference the agent said, "the fuck you are" and put his honor in the holding cell while they tore apart his truck. At shift change, when the supervisor came in he saw the federal judge that granted signed their search warrants sitting in his holding cell. The shit hit the fan. People were fired and reassigned, but ONLY because it was a federal judge. Imagine how many times that happened to people with no pull that just had to put up with it?
 
The bill requires law enforcement officers to determine the immigration status of any individual that the law enforcement officer has reasonably suspect is an illegal alien. It isn't much of a stretch to suggest that such suspicion will be based on the appearance of the individual.

I guess you've never been to Mexico and seen some of those Blond Hair/Blue Eyed Mexicans, or any of those that appear to be African, or etc. :good4u:
 
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