For Desh - Fannie and Freddie Regulations

cawacko

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Anyone is free to respond to this but I write it specifically for Desh since we got into a discussion last week about regulations. Yes if we looked at the Democratic Party and Republican Party strictly on rhetoric most would rightfully say the Republican Party supports freer markets and deregulation more than the Democratic Party does. However as even most partisans will admit what a party says in its rhetoric and what a party does in its actions can be/are often two different things.

We already know about Bill Clinton and the removal of Glass-Steagal. We know about Bush and Sarbenes-Oxley regulations. This article is a reminder on Fannie and Freddie and the attempted regulations to be placed on them that were denied. Again, more actual proof against what Desh preaches.


Fannie and Freddie Amnesia
Taxpayers are on the hook for about $400 billion, partly because Sen. Obama helped to block reform.


By PETER J. WALLISON

Now that nearly all the TARP funds used to bail out Wall Street banks have been repaid, the government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stand out as the source of the greatest taxpayer losses.

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that, in the wake of the housing bubble and the unprecedented deflation in housing values that resulted, the government's cost to bail out Fannie and Freddie will eventually reach $381 billion. That estimate may be too optimistic.

Last Christmas Eve, Treasury removed the $400 billion cap on what the government might be required to invest in these two GSEs in the future, and this may tell the real story about the cost to taxpayers. In typical Washington fashion, everyone has amnesia about how this disaster occurred.

The story is all too familiar. Politicians in positions of authority today had an opportunity to prevent this fiasco but did nothing. Now—in the name of the taxpayers—they want more power, but they have never been called to account for their earlier failings.

One chapter in this story took place in July 2005, when the Senate Banking Committee, then controlled by the Republicans, adopted tough regulatory legislation for the GSEs on a party-line vote—all Republicans in favor, all Democrats opposed. The bill would have established a new regulator for Fannie and Freddie and given it authority to ensure that they maintained adequate capital, properly managed their interest rate risk, had adequate liquidity and reserves, and controlled their asset and investment portfolio growth.

These authorities were necessary to control the GSEs' risk-taking, but opposition by Fannie and Freddie—then the most politically powerful firms in the country—had consistently prevented reform.

The date of the Senate Banking Committee's action is important. It was in 2005 that the GSEs—which had been acquiring increasing numbers of subprime and Alt-A loans for many years in order to meet their HUD-imposed affordable housing requirements—accelerated the purchases that led to their 2008 insolvency. If legislation along the lines of the Senate committee's bill had been enacted in that year, many if not all the losses that Fannie and Freddie have suffered, and will suffer in the future, might have been avoided.

Why was there no action in the full Senate? As most Americans know today, it takes 60 votes to cut off debate in the Senate, and the Republicans had only 55. To close debate and proceed to the enactment of the committee-passed bill, the Republicans needed five Democrats to vote with them. But in a 45 member Democratic caucus that included Barack Obama and the current Senate Banking Chairman Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.), these votes could not be found.

Recently, President Obama has taken to accusing others of representing "special interests." In an April radio address he stated that his financial regulatory proposals were struggling in the Senate because "the financial industry and its powerful lobby have opposed modest safeguards against the kinds of reckless risks and bad practices that led to this very crisis."

He should know. As a senator, he was the third largest recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, behind only Sens. Chris Dodd and John Kerry.

With hypocrisy like this at the top, is it any wonder that nearly 80% of Americans, according to new Pew polling, don't trust the federal government or its ability to solve the country's problems?


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704671904575193910683111250.html
 
Why you choose to believe anything you read on the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal really boggles my mind.

The fact of the matter is that the Republican leadership in the Senate did not find the matter important enough to bring to a vote on the Senate floor or to even open debate on the matter. The bill cleared the committee and then the Senate leadership did exactly nothing to advance the legislation because it was not a priority.

To say that Republicans "attempted regulations to be placed on them that were denied" is just not true. Some Republicans wanted increased regulations placed on Fanny and Freddie, but certainly not all of them and certainly not the Senate Republican leadership.

I understand why the author of the op-ed is writing this crap: he is a conservative Republican from the American Enterprise Institute and wants to provide cover for the Republicans as they block reform to the financial services industry. I just don't understand why you believe him.
 
republicans did in fact attempt to regulate or reign in fannie and freddie, it was the democrats who SHOUTED them down as fear mongers, racists etc....

in 2007 or 2008 obama was runnign around saying all is well, there is nothing wrong with freddie or fannie

why yoiu guys deny this is beyone me
 
republicans did in fact attempt to regulate or reign in fannie and freddie, it was the democrats who SHOUTED them down as fear mongers, racists etc....

in 2007 or 2008 obama was runnign around saying all is well, there is nothing wrong with freddie or fannie

why yoiu guys deny this is beyone me


First of all, as I said, some Republicans did indeed want to regulate Fannie and Freddie, just not the Senate Republican leadership - the Republicans that actually matter.

Second, the very bill that the Senate leadership decided to let languish instead of pushing to get it through the Senate, passed the House with a majority of Democrats voting in favor of it.

Third, in 2008 when the Democrats took control of Congress Barney Frank introduced similar legislation (the sponsor of the prior bill co-sponsored the Frank bill) to the bill that the Senate Republican leadership let die. It passed the House with unanimous support from the Democrats whereas a majority of Republicans voted against it.

So, why do I deny the revisionism on regulating Fannie and Freddie? Because it isn't true.
 
republicans did in fact attempt to regulate or reign in fannie and freddie, it was the democrats who SHOUTED them down as fear mongers, racists etc....

in 2007 or 2008 obama was runnign around saying all is well, there is nothing wrong with freddie or fannie

why yoiu guys deny this is beyone me

Really? Obama was running around saying that?

And the GOP leadership really let the Dems "shout them down" enough to retreat on something they were so concerned about? That doesn't really sound like their m.o. back then.

Are you sure you have your facts straight?
 
First of all, as I said, some Republicans did indeed want to regulate Fannie and Freddie, just not the Senate Republican leadership - the Republicans that actually matter.

Second, the very bill that the Senate leadership decided to let languish instead of pushing to get it through the Senate, passed the House with a majority of Democrats voting in favor of it.

Third, in 2008 when the Democrats took control of Congress Barney Frank introduced similar legislation (the sponsor of the prior bill co-sponsored the Frank bill) to the bill that the Senate Republican leadership let die. It passed the House with unanimous support from the Democrats whereas a majority of Republicans voted against it.

So, why do I deny the revisionism on regulating Fannie and Freddie? Because it isn't true.

they took control in 2007

there is no revisionism on my part, everythign i said was true, you're the one essentially denying any dem responsibility and belittling any gop effort at reform, you're transparant nigel, sorry, but you are
 
republicans did in fact attempt to regulate or reign in fannie and freddie, it was the democrats who SHOUTED them down as fear mongers, racists etc....

in 2007 or 2008 obama was runnign around saying all is well, there is nothing wrong with freddie or fannie

why yoiu guys deny this is beyone me

The same reason they deny anything that doesn't make them look good. Remember Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, saying when they were questioned about it, that FM and FM were doing just fine. Videos of what they said have been posted on here several times. They lied.
 
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Really? Obama was running around saying that?

And the GOP leadership really let the Dems "shout them down" enough to retreat on something they were so concerned about? That doesn't really sound like their m.o. back then.

Are you sure you have your facts straight?

i'm fairly certain he did, i believe he also was initially against their bailouts
 
they took control in 2007

there is no revisionism on my part, everythign i said was true, you're the one essentially denying any dem responsibility and belittling any gop effort at reform, you're transparant nigel, sorry, but you are


Hey, you're right, they did take control in 2007. And Barney Frank's bill passed the House in May 2007.

And yes, you're version of events is full of revisionism. In my view, the most accurate version of events is that the House, with support from both parties, attempted to get reform done and the Senate, under the leadership of both parties, let reform die.
 
i'm fairly certain he did, i believe he also was initially against their bailouts

You're "fairly certain"? You said he was "running around" saying that. That characterization certainly implies a pretty proactive position on his part - something he felt strongly about expressing.
 
Hey, you're right, they did take control in 2007. And Barney Frank's bill passed the House in May 2007.

And yes, you're version of events is full of revisionism. In my view, the most accurate version of events is that the House, with support from both parties, attempted to get reform done and the Senate, under the leadership of both parties, let reform die.

do i really need to show you the video of frank repeatedly saying there was no problem when the gop was trying to head off the crisis years before this?

good lord, how you can deny that frank was one of the major players in stopping any regulation or change is simply amazing....you're are a staunch apologist, no doubt
 
do i really need to show you the video of frank repeatedly saying there was no problem when the gop was trying to head off the crisis years before this?

good lord, how you can deny that frank was one of the major players in stopping any regulation or change is simply amazing....you're are a staunch apologist, no doubt


Feel free to post all the videos that you feel like posting. It does not change the fact that in 2007 Barney Frank introduced the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act, a bill that was so similar to the bill that the Senate did not pass in 2005 that the sponsor of the previous bill co-sponsored the Frank bill. And that bill passed the House in 2007, as the prior version did in 2005.

I understand that blaming Barney Frank is in vogue, but considering that two bills passed the House and one of them was sponsored by Frank, it just doesn't wash. Hell, even the revisionist that wrote the op-ed in the OP gets at least this very basic point: the problem was the Senate, not the House.



Edit: And I could play games and claim that, given that the majority of Republicans voted against the Frank bill in 2007, the Republicans opposed regulating Fannie and Freddie, but I'm not a revisionist douchebag so I won't.
 
It's not too hard to call out Barney Frank when you look at the comments he has made.

Here's a quote from him which seems to be rather far off base:

The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disastrous scenarios. and even if there were a problem, the Federal Government doesn’t bail them out. but the more pressure there is there, then the less I think we see in terms of affordable housing.

http://www.myforeclosurenightmare.c...barney-frank-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-in

When he says Congress made a deal with Fannie and Freddie - support for affordable housing in return for "arrangements which are of some benefit to them". You can find that quote on the web. I read it last night in Roger Lowenstien's book 'The End of Wall Street'. Basically Congress turning a blind eye to the fact that government support was helping boost shareholder profits and executive bonuses.
 
It's not too hard to call out Barney Frank when you look at the comments he has made.

Here's a quote from him which seems to be rather far off base:

The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disastrous scenarios. and even if there were a problem, the Federal Government doesn’t bail them out. but the more pressure there is there, then the less I think we see in terms of affordable housing.

http://www.myforeclosurenightmare.c...barney-frank-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-in

When he says Congress made a deal with Fannie and Freddie - support for affordable housing in return for "arrangements which are of some benefit to them". You can find that quote on the web. I read it last night in Roger Lowenstien's book 'The End of Wall Street'. Basically Congress turning a blind eye to the fact that government support was helping boost shareholder profits and executive bonuses.


Look, you can take all the quotes you want and pile them up on top of each other and multiply them by eleventy billion, but in the end you won't have anything that changes the following two facts:

(1) The House passed a bill in 2005. The Senate did not. Barney Frank (a member of the House, not the Senate) is not to blame for the Senate not passing a bill in 2005.

(2) Barney Frank sponsored an extremely similar bill to the one passed in 2005. That bill passed the House in May 2007, a few months after the Democrats took control of the House. The Senate, again, did not pass that bill. Barney Frank is not to blame for the Senate not passing a bill in 2007.

The Senate, under the leadership of both parties, is responsible for failing to enact reforms at Fannie and Freddie. Any other version of events is revisionist horseshit.
 
Feel free to post all the videos that you feel like posting. It does not change the fact that in 2007 Barney Frank introduced the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act, a bill that was so similar to the bill that the Senate did not pass in 2005 that the sponsor of the previous bill co-sponsored the Frank bill. And that bill passed the House in 2007, as the prior version did in 2005.

I understand that blaming Barney Frank is in vogue, but considering that two bills passed the House and one of them was sponsored by Frank, it just doesn't wash. Hell, even the revisionist that wrote the op-ed in the OP gets at least this very basic point: the problem was the Senate, not the House.



Edit: And I could play games and claim that, given that the majority of Republicans voted against the Frank bill in 2007, the Republicans opposed regulating Fannie and Freddie, but I'm not a revisionist douchebag so I won't.

who cares about the bill, the guy is on record and his words convict him....if he wanted change so bad, why are his words the opposite? face it, you have squat and barney has his own words convicting him....

apologize away though
 
who cares about the bill, the guy is on record and his words convict him....if he wanted change so bad, why are his words the opposite? face it, you have squat and barney has his own words convicting him....

apologize away though


Let's see here. Should we look at Frank's actions or his words. Yurt above says words. Anyone else have an opinion on the matter? How about you, Yurt:

how untrue and uninformed, sad for you. many left the republican party and became libertarians and many criticize their leaders unlike the most dems.

further, if they are so independent, these blue dogs, why do the VOTE DEMOCRAT? actions speak louder than words :pke:


Hmmm. Are you sure, Yurt:

it is the hieght of arrogance and racial fear mongering to say that blacks do not vote republican based on race.....you shit on those blacks who are republican....

your supposed first black president, willy "the cigar" clinton cabinent....all white....gwb the supposed racist who hates black people....first black secstate, first black female secstate....and the only president to have a black person serve on the joint chief of staff

actions speak louder than words dems.....

oh and pray tell when has a black person been voted to chair your party?


Hmmmm, which Yurt should we listen to?
 
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