Air Traffic Controllers Warned US Army Helicopter Ahead Of Crash

SmarterthanYou said:
if the airliner is flying IFR ON APPROACH, they are doing a GCA.
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No, they are not. Obviously you don't even know what a GCA is or how it's conducted.

BTW, I've flown a GCA. We have one of the few here in Washington. It's rather fun. It ends at a podunk runway little wider than a bike path (but it DID have a centerline down it!). An airline even uses it regularly!
SmarterthanYou said:
you're delusional and your bias in favor of trump is clouding any judgement you might have had.
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I have not mentioned Trump when discussing ATC. ATC fucked up. Pivot fallacy.
SmarterthanYou said:
Again, I was an ATC tower controller for 6 years. I know more about it than you.
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BULLSHIT. You discard the regulations. You don't know any of the terminology (obviously).
Stop pretending!
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The radar track of both aircraft. It appears the Blackhawk was straight and level at 400 feet following the river southbound and the CRJ was in a descent for landing northbound.

Traitor Trump is politicizing the tragedy. Fuck him and his MAGAt followers.

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Trump blames deadly Washington air collision on 'diversity'

US President Donald Trump -- speaking as the bodies of 67 people were being pulled from Washington's Potomac River -- launched a political attack Thursday blaming diversity hires for the midair collision between an airliner and a military helicopter. Asked again by reporters whether he was...
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i heard the helicopter was supposed to be under 200.


why do you lie so much, deep state butt plugger?
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
i heard the helicopter was supposed to be under 200.


why do you lie so much, deep state butt plugger?
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You "heard", does not make it true.

Ive heard that the Felon's parents were brother and sister... Does that make it true? I don't think so...
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
i heard the helicopter was supposed to be under 200.


why do you lie so much, deep state butt plugger?
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Correct. I've tried to restrain myself from being among the chorus of voices with opinions. Mainly to observe the behavior of members. A little because, on a forum like this, members are all equal in terms of power be it wealth or physical. Since experts are treated as equally as dumbasses, experts can be observed by their absence. The dumbasses...well, you know.

Why do you seek to provoke me, Fredo? Are you angry?

After several weeks, it's been interesting to see how the media* blathers about the tragedy and also to see how various politicians blather about it. Watching Ted Cruz today repeat about the Army helicopter being too high and a further revelation about PAT 25's ADS-B being "turned off" was also interesting because it reflects Flat World thinking. 2D. Two dimensional thinking.

Those working in aviation work in three dimensions. This accident wasn't just a problem in vertical separation, it was also a problem in lateral separation.


*It's both funny and ironic how the MAGAts all bitch about "the Media" yet strongly support RW media.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Correct. I've tried to restrain myself from being among the chorus of voices with opinions. Mainly to observe the behavior of members. A little because, on a forum like this, members are all equal in terms of power be it wealth or physical. Since experts are treated as equally as dumbasses, experts can be observed by their absence. The dumbasses...well, you know.

Why do you seek to provoke me, Fredo? Are you angry?

After several weeks, it's been interesting to see how the media* blathers about the tragedy and also to see how various politicians blather about it. Watching Ted Cruz today repeat about the Army helicopter being too high and a further revelation about PAT 25's ADS-B being "turned off" was also interesting because it reflects Flat World thinking. 2D. Two dimensional thinking.

Those working in aviation work in three dimensions. This accident wasn't just a problem in vertical separation, it was also a problem in lateral separation.


*It's both funny and ironic how the MAGAts all bitch about "the Media" yet strongly support RW media.
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The controller followed the rules.....the rules of operation of this airport assume that the military copter pilots have some competence and are honest and are not doing terrorism.....in this case at least one of these assumptions was wrong.
 
So the controllers who Trump insanely claimed were DEI hires and incompetent did their jobs. Trump should apologize for smearing them. But if Trump apologized to everyone he smeared, he would not have time to create the plutocracy.
 
Nordberg said:
So the controllers who Trump insanely claimed were DEI hires and incompetent did their jobs. Trump should apologize for smearing them. But if Trump apologized to everyone he smeared, he would not have time to create the plutocracy.
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The Tower was UNDER STAFFED due to DEI hiring practices.
 
Jarod said:
You "heard", does not make it true.

Ive heard that the Felon's parents were brother and sister... Does that make it true? I don't think so...
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It also does not make it untrue.

According to the “best quality flight track data” available, the helicopter was flying at about 300 feet at the time of the midair collision with the plane on its approach to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport outside Washington, DC, according to a statement Tuesday evening from the National Transportation Safety Board.....

The Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk, based at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, was flying a training mission in a dedicated helicopter route where it was not allowed to fly above 200 feet, according to a published FAA chart. Since the accident above the Potomac River, the Federal Aviation Administration has indefinitely suspended the use of most of those routes.....
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FastLane said:
The crash avoidance system on the Helicopter was off and they were using night goggles.
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This was a very old not upgraded copter....it did not have a crash avoidance system, and we dont know that they were using Googles but they likely were, which are designed for low light situations......the bright lights in this situation may have made using them here a bad idea because the lights are blinding, and because they limit field of vision.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Wrong.....it was understaffed because the supervisor allowed a controller to leave early.
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If it wasn't understaffed there would have been 37% more ATC available that night.

While it’s not clear if an ATC error contributed to the crash, some traffic control towers at major airports around the country — including Philadelphia, Orlando, Austin, Albuquerque and Milwaukee — had less than 60% of their staffing targets filled with certified controllers. Reagan National Airport had about 63%.
 
FastLane said:
If it wasn't understaffed there would have been 37% more ATC available that night.

While it’s not clear if an ATC error contributed to the crash, some traffic control towers at major airports around the country — including Philadelphia, Orlando, Austin, Albuquerque and Milwaukee — had less than 60% of their staffing targets filled with certified controllers. Reagan National Airport had about 63%.
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I have not seen that, but the reason there was one not two is 100% on the supervisor.
 
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