The War on Prosperity

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I can intellectually understand how the smart Progressives can effectively be focused on destroying prosperity in our country, to enable Socialism as the "savior" when everything collapses. That makes perfect sense to me, and I get why all the Liberal policies are geared toward this ends. It is through the collapse of capitalism, even if by political means, that Socialism can triumph in the end, and they realize this, so it comes as no surprise, Progressives continually push in that direction.

What I don't get, is how they have managed to brainwash so many willing supporters. You can read their posts, it's absolute idiocy regarding economics, the future potential for growth in capitalist enterprises, and finance in general. It just boggles the mind people can be so stupid. For months, we've had to hear how we're going to insure 30 million more Americans and it isn't going to cost us a dime, in fact, it is going to save us money and pay down the deficit! Complete government takeover of health care isn't going to cost us jobs, it's going to create jobs! And still, make us money!

Nothing this administration has done, or plans to do, will stimulate capitalist growth and prosperity for the long term. Everything is either a governmental expansion or a temporary measure. The "money people" keep getting told, the government is about to zap you with higher taxes and regulatory fees, and thus, the uncertainty in the market lingers on. We get a somewhat encouraging job report, but we just hired census workers and IRS agents, no manufacturing sector jobs, no capitalist expansion jobs. Yet, here are the minions, running around gloating and celebrating as if Happy Days Are Here Again!

We've got to stop allowing them to demonize capitalism. Our prosperity and growth are dependent upon capitalists doing what they do, making money, growing and thriving... expanding to make more money... if that is happening, things are good for all of us, it is "economic prosperity" and we all benefit. They create the new jobs, they pay the raises in salaries, and they are the backbone of the lifestyle we've all become accustomed to in America.

 

[Crashk]

The capitalists take the capital away and our means of making capital, manipulate huge gains for themselves at our expense and then wonder why we are a little pissed. LOL

Your form of capitalism has brought us wars and financial collapse and it will take govt. intervention to dig out.

 

[apple0154]

I can intellectually understand how the smart Progressives can effectively be focused on destroying prosperity in our country, to enable Socialism as the "savior" when everything collapses. That makes perfect sense to me, and I get why all the Liberal policies are geared toward this ends. It is through the collapse of capitalism, even if by political means, that Socialism can triumph in the end, and they realize this, so it comes as no surprise, Progressives continually push in that direction.

What I don't get, is how they have managed to brainwash so many willing supporters. You can read their posts, it's absolute idiocy regarding economics, the future potential for growth in capitalist enterprises, and finance in general. It just boggles the mind people can be so stupid. For months, we've had to hear how we're going to insure 30 million more Americans and it isn't going to cost us a dime, in fact, it is going to save us money and pay down the deficit! Complete government takeover of health care isn't going to cost us jobs, it's going to create jobs! And still, make us money!

Nothing this administration has done, or plans to do, will stimulate capitalist growth and prosperity for the long term. Everything is either a governmental expansion or a temporary measure. The "money people" keep getting told, the government is about to zap you with higher taxes and regulatory fees, and thus, the uncertainty in the market lingers on. We get a somewhat encouraging job report, but we just hired census workers and IRS agents, no manufacturing sector jobs, no capitalist expansion jobs. Yet, here are the minions, running around gloating and celebrating as if Happy Days Are Here Again!

We've got to stop allowing them to demonize capitalism. Our prosperity and growth are dependent upon capitalists doing what they do, making money, growing and thriving... expanding to make more money... if that is happening, things are good for all of us, it is "economic prosperity" and we all benefit. They create the new jobs, they pay the raises in salaries, and they are the backbone of the lifestyle we've all become accustomed to in America.

Dixie, Dixie, Dixie. Dozens of other countries have government medical and I assure you the citizens are eating regularly, living in houses and driving cars. Everything will be fine.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You keep repeating your nonsense Apple, but those "other countries" have nowhere near the GDP we have in the US, they have nowhere near the population we have in the US, and they have nowhere near the number/amount/problems with illegal immigration as the US. They also don't have a Constitution like the US, where every state is guaranteed the same rights under the law... they don't have a culture like the US, where we are accustomed to fast service and exceptional quality, particularly when it comes to health care. They are not like the US, in that, when something isn't the best it could be, they can complain and bitch and have it changed, most of the countries you mention are living under authoritarian rulers, without any political means to change. They have to accept whatever the government hands them and be happy with it... be thankful they aren't standing in a bread line or starving to death in the cold.... Those people have been beaten down for centuries, they are quite used to doing without. The average incomes are lower, the taxes are higher, sometime much higher, and there are 50-gazillion other differences between the "other countries" and us, which completely render your argument void and without merit.... but you keep spewing your profound ignorance and idiocy, it is very entertaining!

It's exactly the kind of shit I am talking about! You've heard some Socialist Progressive propagandist say this about "other countries" and it makes sense in your vapid little empty head, so you run around repeating it as if you are some kind of brilliant genius who has it all figured out... all you are doing is repeating nonsense and propaganda, and you are just plain WRONG!

 

[Topspin]

Stop going to kkk meetings and get your head out of your cousin marrying ass. That would be a good start grand wizard Dixie.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The capitalists take the capital away and our means of making capital, manipulate huge gains for themselves at our expense and then wonder why we are a little pissed. LOL

Your form of capitalism has brought us wars and financial collapse and it will take govt. intervention to dig out.

Capitalists MAKE capital! Capitalists MAKE jobs! Capitalists MAKE prosperity! Without Capitalism, you have NONE of those. You have turned "Capitalist" into something deplorable, something to be reviled and feared, something to turn into the enemy and attack... but it is the means by which we gain prosperity. Without it, we flounder and struggle, we lose jobs, we watch our retirement go down the tubes, and you still keep attacking the one thing that can bring it all back.

Corporations are comprised of AMERICAN CITIZENS! They are not maniacal entities lumbering out of control, gobbling up our resources and incomes... that is GOVERNMENT! Corporations are not restricting our ability to earn a living, they are enabling us to do so! It is GOVERNMENT which is destroying our ability to earn a decent living. Corporations are not running our nation further and further in debt that we can't repay, again... that is GOVERNMENT!


You've turned Capitalism into "The Demon" and you've made Government into the knight on a white stallion, and you've done so for one of two reasons... you are a Socialist Progressive who wants to destroy Capitalism so you can implement totalitarian Socialism, or you are a stupid ignorant SHEEP who is following the Progressives off this cliff because you lack the intelligence of a billy goat.

 

[apple0154]

You keep repeating your nonsense Apple, but those "other countries" have nowhere near the GDP we have in the US, they have nowhere near the population we have in the US, and they have nowhere near the number/amount/problems with illegal immigration as the US. They also don't have a Constitution like the US, where every state is guaranteed the same rights under the law... they don't have a culture like the US, where we are accustomed to fast service and exceptional quality, particularly when it comes to health care. They are not like the US, in that, when something isn't the best it could be, they can complain and bitch and have it changed, most of the countries you mention are living under authoritarian rulers, without any political means to change. They have to accept whatever the government hands them and be happy with it... be thankful they aren't standing in a bread line or starving to death in the cold.... Those people have been beaten down for centuries, they are quite used to doing without. The average incomes are lower, the taxes are higher, sometime much higher, and there are 50-gazillion other differences between the "other countries" and us, which completely render your argument void and without merit.... but you keep spewing your profound ignorance and idiocy, it is very entertaining!

It's exactly the kind of shit I am talking about! You've heard some Socialist Progressive propagandist say this about "other countries" and it makes sense in your vapid little empty head, so you run around repeating it as if you are some kind of brilliant genius who has it all figured out... all you are doing is repeating nonsense and propaganda, and you are just plain WRONG!

Then show me ONE country that has a political party that is trying to get rid of their government medical. England and France and Australia and Germany and Canada and a dozen other countries have free elections. If the citizens wanted a different system they would vote for it. The reality is they "crucify" any politician who even mentions changing their plan.

It is you who keeps spewing ignorance. Do some research. You have a twisted understanding of other countries.

Show ONE country where there is a political party campaigning on dismantling their government medical plan. ONE country. Just ONE.

Surely if those plans are bad there must be ONE country. If you truly believe the craziness you spout then isn't it in your own best interest to research? Prove it to yourself.

 

[Topspin]

Your right about capitalism grand wizard. Had you bitch remotely equally about the bush chainy gang pissing trillions of our capitalist dollars down the towel head shit hole you might have more credibility the a gran wizard of the kkk.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Then show me ONE country that has a political party that is trying to get rid of their government medical. England and France and Australia and Germany and Canada and a dozen other countries have free elections. If the citizens wanted a different system they would vote for it. The reality is they "crucify" any politician who even mentions changing their plan.

It is you who keeps spewing ignorance. Do some research. You have a twisted understanding of other countries.

Show ONE country where there is a political party campaigning on dismantling their government medical plan. ONE country. Just ONE.

Surely if those plans are bad there must be ONE country. If you truly believe the craziness you spout then isn't it in your own best interest to research? Prove it to yourself.

Before I show you ONE country, you need to first show me ONE country who is comparable to the USA, who has a vibrant nationalized health care program working with no problems. As soon as you show me a country with 300 million people, operating a system totally dependent on the government and funded by the taxpayers, and we can demonstrate that their system is working to perfection, reducing cost, increasing availability, and providing an overall better quality of health care....THEN we can talk.

So far, you haven't shown that. You keep talking about "other countries" and then you bring up examples of health care systems which are either failing or struggling, and we aren't even dealing with countries anywhere near the size of our own. For the sake of saving you some time, let me give you the list of countries which meet the same criteria as our own.... NONE! That's it... NADDA!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

a political party that is trying to get rid of their government medical.

I have repeatedly explained it to you, but you don't want to soak it in! You had rather believe the propaganda you've been fed, because you are too vapid to think for yourself. You are a Socialist Progressive Sheep, and you will just continue to spew whatever propaganda they pump into your empty little head.

Once the free market infrastructures are destroyed and gone, there is nothing to "revert back" to! What is a politician supposed to say? I know you don't like this crappy government health care system, so I propose we eliminate it and let you all fend for yourselves without any system at all? Well, that won't fly, people had rather have a crappy government-run system than NOTHING! You act like, because someone is being forced to eat shit sandwiches, because they really have no other choice, it must mean shit sandwiches are the bomb!

European health care is NOT on par with American health care, in terms of availability OR quality. I have a personal friend who is German and has cancer. He is on a waiting list for surgery, he has been waiting for 18 months now, and still has 9 more months to go. If he were in the US, he would have had the surgery 17 months ago. He told me, he fully expects to die of cancer before he has the surgery. THIS is coming to America thanks to you! THIS is what we will have to look forward to in the future, because you are such a fucktard idiot you don't know or recognize Socialist propaganda when you see it!

 

[apple0154]

Before I show you ONE country, you need to first show me ONE country who is comparable to the USA, who has a vibrant nationalized health care program working with no problems. As soon as you show me a country with 300 million people, operating a system totally dependent on the government and funded by the taxpayers, and we can demonstrate that their system is working to perfection, reducing cost, increasing availability, and providing an overall better quality of health care....THEN we can talk.

So far, you haven't shown that. You keep talking about "other countries" and then you bring up examples of health care systems which are either failing or struggling, and we aren't even dealing with countries anywhere near the size of our own. For the sake of saving you some time, let me give you the list of countries which meet the same criteria as our own.... NONE! That's it... NADDA!

Nice try. There are as many different countries as there are medical plans. Small geographical areas with large populations. Large geographical areas with small populations. Rich and poor countries. Capitalist and Socialist countries.

As for running perfectly, maybe not. On the other hand they have been running for 40 or 50 years, some longer. Not bad for something that doesn't work.

Cost: 1/2 price
Life expectancy: Equal to or greater than the US

Research. Do some research.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Nice try. There are as many different countries as there are medical plans. Small geographical areas with large populations. Large geographical areas with small populations. Rich and poor countries. Capitalist and Socialist countries.

As for running perfectly, maybe not. On the other hand they have been running for 40 or 50 years, some longer. Not bad for something that doesn't work.

Cost: 1/2 price
Life expectancy: Equal to or greater than the US

Research. Do some research.

As I said... Give me an example of a country 300 million people or more, with a government-run system which is providing less expensive, more available, higher quality service than the US.... Show me that system and we can talk about THOSE "other countries" ,....Unitl then, you can blow "other countries" out your ass!

 

[Topspin]

as for prosperity, the stock market does better under Democrats. obama's first year over 26 percent will just add to democrats big lead.

 

[apple0154]

Once the free market infrastructures are destroyed and gone, there is nothing to "revert back" to!

Let's put this nonsense to bed once and for all. There are constantly people trying to get a piece of the health care pie. People, via their government, try to stop those money grabbing, greedy folks from undermining the universal system.

Again, do some research. You have no idea what you're talking about.

As for your friend all we have is your word to go on and, to be blunt, your word ain't worth dirt. You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to anything concerning government medical so I doubt you know what you're talking about regarding your friend.

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I have repeatedly explained it to you, but you don't want to soak it in! You had rather believe the propaganda you've been fed, because you are too vapid to think for yourself. You are a Socialist Progressive Sheep, and you will just continue to spew whatever propaganda they pump into your empty little head.

Once the free market infrastructures are destroyed and gone, there is nothing to "revert back" to! What is a politician supposed to say? I know you don't like this crappy government health care system, so I propose we eliminate it and let you all fend for yourselves without any system at all? Well, that won't fly, people had rather have a crappy government-run system than NOTHING! You act like, because someone is being forced to eat shit sandwiches, because they really have no other choice, it must mean shit sandwiches are the bomb!

European health care is NOT on par with American health care, in terms of availability OR quality. I have a personal friend who is German and has cancer. He is on a waiting list for surgery, he has been waiting for 18 months now, and still has 9 more months to go. If he were in the US, he would have had the surgery 17 months ago. He told me, he fully expects to die of cancer before he has the surgery. THIS is coming to America thanks to you! THIS is what we will have to look forward to in the future, because you are such a fucktard idiot you don't know or recognize Socialist propaganda when you see it!

 

[apple0154]

As I said... Give me an example of a country 300 million people or more, with a government-run system which is providing less expensive, more available, higher quality service than the US.... Show me that system and we can talk about THOSE "other countries" ,....Unitl then, you can blow "other countries" out your ass!

Dixie, Dixie Dixie. Dozens of other countries have done it. Just because you can't grasp it doesn't mean the US can't do it.

Be honest. You're not the brightest bulb here so just because some things seem impossible to you does not mean that's so. Give your countrymen more credit.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie, Dixie Dixie. Dozens of other countries have done it. Just because you can't grasp it doesn't mean the US can't do it.

Be honest. You're not the brightest bulb here so just because some things seem impossible to you does not mean that's so. Give your countrymen more credit.

AGAIN... Give me just ONE example of a country our size, who has done it successfully. WHEN you have done that, we can have a conversation about it... UNTIL you do that, you are just yapping like a little Socialist Poodle.

 

[apple0154]

AGAIN... Give me just ONE example of a country our size, who has done it successfully. WHEN you have done that, we can have a conversation about it... UNTIL you do that, you are just yapping like a little Socialist Poodle.

You're talking nonsense, Dixie. Just because you can't comprehend a solution doesn't mean there isn't one. I suggest you not worry your little head about it. Leave it to those who do know; the Democrats.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Again, do some research. You have no idea what you're talking about....I doubt you know what you're talking about regarding your friend.

NO! YOU DO SOME RESEARCH FUCKTARD! I gave you a real-life case, someone I happen to know personally, but the stories are all over the Internet from these glorious examples of Socialized health care! People waiting WEEKS to see a doctor... people waiting MONTHS for emergency surgery, and YEARS for non-emergency surgery! People literally DYING due to the lack of availability of health care in their Socialized health care systems! The stories of how these Socialized systems are FAILING is all over the Internet! You can read about how the Canadians are currently trying to inject capitalism back into the health care system because it is FAILING! You can read how the British have already implemented capitalist free-market measures to try and rescue their FAILING systems! You can read about how France is currently in debt up to their eyeballs due to their Socialized spending on health care! All of this is available 24/7 online, if you want to read about it, but you DON'T! You refuse to listen to anything other than Socialist Communist Progressive propaganda, because you are ignorant and foolish.

 

[Topspin]

Great comedy socialized medicine card for the tea bagger on the go. Once again markets do better under dems. Why? Rising tide lifts all boats vs rising country club tide.

 

[Beefy]

As I said... Give me an example of a country 300 million people or more, with a government-run system which is providing less expensive, more available, higher quality service than the US.... Show me that system and we can talk about THOSE "other countries" ,....Unitl then, you can blow "other countries" out your ass!

GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN ANOTHER COUTRY OF 300 MILLON PEOPLE INVADED IRAG AND EVERYONE WAS HAPPY!!1!.

Amazing which issues you require precedent to be satisfied with. You cheerlead the biggest disaster of our lifetime, and then require a narrow precedent for healthcare reform? Other countries do it better than us on a large scale. Don't cry like they don't. But it also doesn't mean shit in terms of our bill, because it isn't like theirs. So quit whining precedent and bitch about shit that actually matters.

Fact: Other countries provide better healthcare to the masses than we do, on a large scale.

Fact: This latest healthcare bill has nothing to do with that

Fact: You are trying to backend around that by speaking out of all three mouths, once again, as per usual, and look like a moron in the process.

Fact: You are trying to use non-existent examples to once again justify a narrow and thoughtless position that is purely reliant on partisan politics.

Fact: You cannot, will not, and have never once in your life, thought for yourself.

Fact: You sir, are a complete, utter buffoon who unfortunately knows hw to use a computer.