Nuclear power issue

Taichiliberal said:
All "Star Wars" references aside (*sqaaawk--bidip-beep-boop!*)Exactly what is Japan selling to France? And how does this cryptic statement of yours answers any of the questions I put forth? Seriously, there's a LOT of stuff about nuke power plants that doesn't get a lot of serious press when people discuss this issue.
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It was simply dry sarcasm, Japan pays France to take their nuclear waste. We could too.
 
T&A said:
Sith have apprentices, Jedi have padawans. Get it right, retards.
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Yes, but since he wanted to call me "master" I decided not to punish him for his intransigence of calling me Sith... I'm waaaay cooler than that and win more often.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Overlooking your generalized, off topic accusation....do you have ANY answers to the questions I put forth above? Do you have sufficient knowledge of the subject to address said questions?
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is this your method of avoiding answering truthful allegations? sidestepping it to press for an answer thats not necessary?
 
Taichiliberal said:
I am definitely against nuclear power plants....and Obama IMHO is NOT doing the smart thing with his revamping the construction for these things. I will always thank God that former Mayor Mario Cuomo put the kibosh on the Shoreham nuke plant here on Long Island all those years ago...because the last thing we needed was a ramped up version of the Indian Point nuke plant in our backyard.

Here's just one of the negative views being bandied about regarding this issue:

Obama's nuclear power push faces obstacle: Waste

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama's announcement Tuesday of loan guarantees for nuclear power plants may encourage new construction, but a problem still remains that has plagued atomic energy for decades: what to do with nuclear waste?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/16/obama.nuclear.power/index.html
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What rational reason do you have for opposing nuclear power plants?

The argument about the hazardous waste generated is a bogus argument. Affective treatment of HLW and LLW by High Temperature Vitrification and deep well injection has been a proven solution for over 20 years. The reasons the technology is not being applied is political and not real. HLW and LLW are accumulationg at some sites simply because State agencies, under political pressure, will simply not issue permits to treat the waste with existing BADT. So you're basing your argument on a false premis.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
Yes, let's look to France, who is so proud of it's storage facilities....they don't know wtf to do with the stuff a few decades down the line..but hey, that's a problem for future generations. Maybe than can continue to ship it to Russia? But hey, let's just ignore all those leaks or effects on local waterways because no one has died...yet. And then of course, if you have a nasty above average cold snap, and heating demands double, the nuke plants are more susceptible to shut downs, and take a LONG time to reboot, refuel. And will someone tell me how the cost for all that nuke waste management gets magically paid for?

Please, Sith master....tell us!
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You're uninformed. France applies HTV treatment standards to both HLW and LLW.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ahh, but in the meantime you have all the waste that has already been compiled, and 20 more years to add to that....and who is to say that ALL existing plants will be replaced? And what is the procedure for the that, and how much will it cost?

"passively deactivate"? How many years before the waste is deemed "safe"?
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I don't know what Watermakr means by "passive deactivation". But to answer your question some HLW has isotopes with half lifes in the tens of thousands of years. It will essentially never be "safe" from a human time frame/perspective. However, just because it's not safe doesn't mean it cannot be managed safetly. Sheilding is the key solution and what better sourch of sheilding then the earths crust?

This is why HTV and deep well injection are considered the BADT (Best available developed technology) for handling HLW and LLW. The vitrification process creates a monolight that eliminates the toxicity characteristics of the waste. When the monoliths are given a lead sheild and placed miles under the earth into a granite deep well mine then health and human safety are protected by the miles of granite shielding.

So it appears to me that your not up to speed on treatment technologies and standards for managing nuclear waste.
 
Damocles said:
It was simply dry sarcasm, Japan pays France to take their nuclear waste. We could too.
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That's because Japan doesn't have an apropriate geography for disposal of nuclear waste. France does and they don't have disposal technologies buried under red tape and thus preventing their implementation and use.
 
Look to France is comical.
Yeah, but while looking don't check out thier vacation or socialized benefits or lack of a giant military.
 
Dixie said:
Setting aside the fact that nuclear power is one of the safest and cleanest forms of energy, and ignoring the fact that coal and oil energy production results in far more accidental deaths and much more environmental/health related issues to the general public.... what do you propose we do about the man you elected president, authorizing the construction of new nuclear power plants? Can the GOP now count on your support in 2012, or is it still too soon to tell?
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There is a nuclear plant close to where I live and I have never once felt threatened by it.
 
good, because nobody wants a new 3 mile island near where they live. I hear you have some gang members to get rid of anyway's.
 
I suppose that I have fewer fears of nuclear power because I have a cousin who works at the South Texas Project. We talk about the dangers/lack therof all the time.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's because Japan doesn't have an apropriate geography for disposal of nuclear waste. France does and they don't have disposal technologies buried under red tape and thus preventing their implementation and use.
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Which doesn't change that, until the US stops acting like wussies, we can pay France to take the waste.
 
Topspin said:
good, because nobody wants a new 3 mile island near where they live. I hear you have some gang members to get rid of anyway's.
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If 3 Mile Island is the worst we can find, then this stuff is way better than some other forms of power. Coal causes things like underground explosions that kill far more people, cave ins, pollution in the water, rivers that actually catch on fire from those pollutants...

Yeah, this isn't the USSR, we're not getting a Chernobyl here. Light up the generators, free the Nat Gas for the cars.
 
wanderingbear said:
On this one Obama is fumbling the Liberal football.We still don,t think that Nuclear power is safe ,clean , or cost effective.
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Obama is getting good at fumbling the liberal football, isn't he? Let's see, there is the escalation of forces in Iraq instead of complete withdrawal... there is the extension of Bush policies on warrantless wiretaps and re-signing the Patriot Act.... there is the executive order mandating no federal funding of abortion... not being a proponent of Gay Marriage... caving on the Public Option.... and now this! ....Next he will probably open up ANWR for drilling!

Now on to your next bit of idiocy...

Nuclear power is arguably the SAFEST form of energy production. A far greater risk of death or accidents is found in the coal mining industry, a far greater environmental risk is found in the oil industry. And there is no cheaper form of energy production than nuclear.
 
Superfreak said:
enough said.... welcome to 2010.
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For the record I'm not against nuclear power, but I also understand the definition of the word "accident".

Major Nuclear Power Plant Accidents

December 12, 1952
A partial meltdown of a reactor's uranium core at the Chalk River plant near Ottawa, Canada, resulted after the accidental removal of four control rods. Although millions of gallons of radioactive water poured into the reactor, there were no injuries.

October 1957
Fire destroyed the core of a plutonium-producing reactor at Britain's Windscale nuclear complex - since renamed Sellafield - sending clouds of radioactivity into the atmosphere. An official report said the leaked radiation could have caused dozens of cancer deaths in the vicinity of Liverpool.

Winter 1957-'58
A serious accident occurred during the winter of 1957-58 near the town of Kyshtym in the Urals. A Russian scientist who first reported the disaster estimated that hundreds died from radiation sickness.

January 3, 1961
Three technicians died at a U.S. plant in Idaho Falls in an accident at an experimental reactor.

July 4, 1961
The captain and seven crew members died when radiation spread through the Soviet Union's first nuclear-powered submarine. A pipe in the control system of one of the two reactors had ruptured.

October 5, 1966
The core of an experimental reactor near Detroit, Mich., melted partially when a sodium cooling system failed.

January 21, 1969
A coolant malfunction from an experimental underground reactor at Lucens Vad, Switzerland, releases a large amount of radiation into a cave, which was then sealed.

December 7, 1975
At the Lubmin nuclear power complex on the Baltic coast in the former East Germany, a short-circuit caused by an electrician's mistake started a fire. Some news reports said there was almost a meltdown of the reactor core.

March 28, 1979
Near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, America's worst nuclear accident occurred. A partial meltdown of one of the reactors forced the evacuation of the residents after radioactive gas escaped into the atmosphere.

February 11, 1981
Eight workers are contaminated when more than 100,000 gallons of radioactive coolant fluid leaks into the contaminant building of the Tennessee Valley Authority's Sequoyah 1 plant in Tennessee.

April 25, 1981
Officials said around 45 workers were exposed to radioactivity during repairs to a plant at Tsuruga, Japan.

April 26, 1986
The world's worst nuclear accident occurred after an explosion and fire at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. It released radiation over much of Europe. Thirty-one people died iin the immediate aftermath of the explosion. Hundreds of thousands of residents were moved from the area and a similar number are belived to have suffered from the effects of radiation exposure.

March 24, 1992
At the Sosnovy Bor station near St. Petersburg, Russia, radioactive iodine escaped into the atmosphere. A loss of pressure in a reactor channel was the source of the accident.

November 1992
In France's most serious nuclear accident, three workers were contaminated after entering a nuclear particle accelerator in Forbach without protective clothing. Executives were jailed in 1993 for failing to take proper safety measures.

November 1995
Japan's Monju prototype fast-breeder nuclear reactor leaked two to three tons of sodium from the reactor's secondary cooling system.

March 1997
The state-run Power Reactor and Nuclear Fuel Development Corporation reprocessing plant at Tokaimura, Japan, contaminated at least 35 workers with minor radiation after a fire and explosion occurred.

September 30, 1999
Another accident at the uranium processing plant at Tokaimura, Japan, plant exposed fifty-five workers to radiation. More than 300,000 people living near the plant were ordered to stay indoors. Workers had been mixing uranium with nitric acid to make nuclear fuel, but had used too much uranium and set off the accidental uncontrolled reaction.
 
christiefan915 said:
For the record I'm not against nuclear power, but I also understand the definition of the word "accident".

Major Nuclear Power Plant Accidents

December 12, 1952
A partial meltdown of a reactor's uranium core at the Chalk River plant near Ottawa, Canada, resulted after the accidental removal of four control rods. Although millions of gallons of radioactive water poured into the reactor, there were no injuries.

October 1957
Fire destroyed the core of a plutonium-producing reactor at Britain's Windscale nuclear complex - since renamed Sellafield - sending clouds of radioactivity into the atmosphere. An official report said the leaked radiation could have caused dozens of cancer deaths in the vicinity of Liverpool.

Winter 1957-'58
A serious accident occurred during the winter of 1957-58 near the town of Kyshtym in the Urals. A Russian scientist who first reported the disaster estimated that hundreds died from radiation sickness.

January 3, 1961
Three technicians died at a U.S. plant in Idaho Falls in an accident at an experimental reactor.

July 4, 1961
The captain and seven crew members died when radiation spread through the Soviet Union's first nuclear-powered submarine. A pipe in the control system of one of the two reactors had ruptured.

October 5, 1966
The core of an experimental reactor near Detroit, Mich., melted partially when a sodium cooling system failed.

January 21, 1969
A coolant malfunction from an experimental underground reactor at Lucens Vad, Switzerland, releases a large amount of radiation into a cave, which was then sealed.

December 7, 1975
At the Lubmin nuclear power complex on the Baltic coast in the former East Germany, a short-circuit caused by an electrician's mistake started a fire. Some news reports said there was almost a meltdown of the reactor core.

March 28, 1979
Near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, America's worst nuclear accident occurred. A partial meltdown of one of the reactors forced the evacuation of the residents after radioactive gas escaped into the atmosphere.

February 11, 1981
Eight workers are contaminated when more than 100,000 gallons of radioactive coolant fluid leaks into the contaminant building of the Tennessee Valley Authority's Sequoyah 1 plant in Tennessee.

April 25, 1981
Officials said around 45 workers were exposed to radioactivity during repairs to a plant at Tsuruga, Japan.

April 26, 1986
The world's worst nuclear accident occurred after an explosion and fire at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. It released radiation over much of Europe. Thirty-one people died iin the immediate aftermath of the explosion. Hundreds of thousands of residents were moved from the area and a similar number are belived to have suffered from the effects of radiation exposure.

March 24, 1992
At the Sosnovy Bor station near St. Petersburg, Russia, radioactive iodine escaped into the atmosphere. A loss of pressure in a reactor channel was the source of the accident.

November 1992
In France's most serious nuclear accident, three workers were contaminated after entering a nuclear particle accelerator in Forbach without protective clothing. Executives were jailed in 1993 for failing to take proper safety measures.

November 1995
Japan's Monju prototype fast-breeder nuclear reactor leaked two to three tons of sodium from the reactor's secondary cooling system.

March 1997
The state-run Power Reactor and Nuclear Fuel Development Corporation reprocessing plant at Tokaimura, Japan, contaminated at least 35 workers with minor radiation after a fire and explosion occurred.

September 30, 1999
Another accident at the uranium processing plant at Tokaimura, Japan, plant exposed fifty-five workers to radiation. More than 300,000 people living near the plant were ordered to stay indoors. Workers had been mixing uranium with nitric acid to make nuclear fuel, but had used too much uranium and set off the accidental uncontrolled reaction.
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Couldn't the same argument be made against coal and coal mining?

Is there any energy that is completely safe?
 
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