Health care backlash

SmarterThanYou said:
different people have different limitations. some people have had theirs crossed.

two lines of thought on this.

1) students have the barest of rights in the school environment, limited to their private persons. rights of speech and such are, as you liberals like to use the term, 'reasonably regulated' to promote the best possible educational environment.

A few months ago I used this very same argument re: the woman who wanted to start a Concealed Carry group on a local campus. I don't recall if you were one of the posters who said I was flat-out wrong, but a number of them did, stating 2nd Amendment rights. So why is it different for the prom issue?

2) personally, this isn't a free speech issue, but a 14th amendment issue.

I'm going by what a court ruled. "The cancellation, according to the judge, was clearly intended to prevent Constance's attendance at the prom with her girlfriend and their refusal to accommodate a lesbian prom attendee violated the First Amendment. This is clear. Expression can encompass actions as well as words and showing up in pants with a girl on your arm in a conservative Mississippi town certainly sends a political message. The Court rightly clearly found that Constance's first amendment rights had been violated."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/emma-rubysachs/lesbian-prom-decision-a-h_b_510804.html?alacarte=1


I disagree. Threats are right up on the line. anything after that is debatable.
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Wish I could figure out this quote-box stuff. (I typed that so the response above would show.)
 
christiefan915 said:
I'm going by what a court ruled. "The cancellation, according to the judge, was clearly intended to prevent Constance's attendance at the prom with her girlfriend and their refusal to accommodate a lesbian prom attendee violated the First Amendment. This is clear. Expression can encompass actions as well as words and showing up in pants with a girl on your arm in a conservative Mississippi town certainly sends a political message. The Court rightly clearly found that Constance's first amendment rights had been violated."
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the court ruled on the first amendment because that is what the girls argued. Bad choice of argument, and now it's bad precedent.

christiefan915 said:
]A few months ago I used this very same argument re: the woman who wanted to start a Concealed Carry group on a local campus. I don't recall if you were one of the posters who said I was flat-out wrong, but a number of them did, stating 2nd Amendment rights. So why is it different for the prom issue?
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I remember that thread vaguely. were you arguing that it was 'reasonable'?
 
TuTu Monroe said:
christiefan915 said:
Yes, you're correct. But I'm not ready to take a gun to their heads over it.
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That's good, because you'd just shoot yourself in the foot.:eek::D
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If it was just my foot I'd thank God and guardian angel for their protection.

You probably won't believe this but in my misspent youth I dated a guy who liked guns and tried to teach me to shoot. I still have a picture of me holding the rifle. The lessons never took because the gun always kicked back (if that's the correct term) and hurt my shoulder. :eek:
 
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christiefan915 said:
What is wrong with these people?

And these types want to "take back the country"?

Reps. Louise Slaughter and Bart Stupak have received death threats.

A tea party participant published what he thought was Rep. Thomas Perriello’s home address and urged disgruntled voters to “drop by” for a “good face-to-face chat.”

Vandals broke windows at Slaughter’s office in New York and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’s office in Arizona.

And angry voters are planning to protest this weekend at the home of Steve Driehaus — who’s already seen a photograph of his children used in a newspaper ad published by reform opponents.

The vitriolic health care debate has become personal — too personal, say House Democrats who voted for the bill and now find not just themselves but their families in the cross hairs of opponents.

Slaughter, a Democrat who chairs the House Rules Committee, said a caller to her office last week vowed to send snipers to “kill the children of the members who voted yes.” Her office reported the call to police, who were dispatched to provide protection for Slaughter’s grandchildren. She has also been in touch with the FBI and U.S. Postal Service inspectors, who intercepted a letter en route to her home in upstate New York.

Stupak, the Michigan Democrat whose last-minute compromise on abortion guaranteed passage of the bill Sunday, said callers have left messages for him saying, “You’re dead; we know where you live; we’ll get you.

“My wife still can’t answer the phone,” Stupak told POLITICO on Tuesday. The messages are “full of obscenities if she leaves it plugged in. In my office, we can’t get a phone out. It’s just bombarded.”

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20100324/pl_politico/34907
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Take away lesson:

Liberal protest an immoral war, without resorting in any substantive way, to threats of killing or harassing people's wives or children.


Conservatives go apoplectic over health care reform, and issue death threats and harass people's families.



Man, the contrast in priorities, principles, and morality is downright hilarious, if not shocking.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
the court ruled on the first amendment because that is what the girls argued. Bad choice of argument, and now it's bad precedent.


I remember that thread vaguely. were you arguing that it was 'reasonable'?
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I argued exactly what you said in your previous post, that "students have the barest of rights in the school environment, limited to their private persons. rights of speech and such are, as you liberals like to use the term, 'reasonably regulated' to promote the best possible educational environment."
 
Cypress said:
Take away lesson:

Liberal protest an immoral war, without resorting in any substantive way, to threats of killing or harassing people's wives or children.


Conservatives go apoplectic over health care reform, and issue death threats and harass people's families.



Man, the contrast in priorities, principles, and morality is downright hilarious, if not shocking.
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hmmm, immoral war vs health care reform. results are still an immoral war vs constitutional rights and property. yeah, i'm seeing just a bit of a difference.
 
christiefan915 said:
I argued exactly what you said in your previous post, that "students have the barest of rights in the school environment, limited to their private persons. rights of speech and such are, as you liberals like to use the term, 'reasonably regulated' to promote the best possible educational environment."
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we're also talking about high school vs a college. kids and adults. limited rights vs full rights. see where i'm going with this?
 
Cypress most teabaggers have probably never seen the iside of a college. They do what Dick Armey tells them to.
 
Topspin said:
Cypress most teabaggers have probably never seen the iside of a college. They do what Dick Armey tells them to.
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Ha! The education slam never gets old.


I don't think it has to do with stupidity. A lot of schmucks who worked at Blockbuster video had a visceral feeling the iraq war was unmerited, and might well be a total clusterfuck. Which is in contrast to the ivy league-educated NeoCons who told us that Iraq would be a totally awesome and groovy adventure.

There's some psychological research about the rightwing mind set that, I think, explains their deep-seated self loathing.... which expresses and manifests itself by lashing out at blacks, liberals....and by bathroom toe-tapping
 
Cypress said:
Ha! The education slam never gets old.


I don't think it has to do with stupidity. A lot of schmucks who worked at Blockbuster video had a visceral feeling the iraq war was unmerited, and might well be a total clusterfuck. Which is in contrast to the ivy league-educated NeoCons who told us that Iraq would be a totally awesome and groovy adventure.

There's some psychological research about the rightwing mind set that, I think, explains their deep-seated self loathing.... which expresses and manifests itself by lashing out at blacks, liberals....and by bathroom toe-tapping
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HAHAHAHAHA, what a load of crap.
 
Just a sampling of the calls for assassination of Bush by lefties during protests. This in no way condones death threats to anyone; it only highlights the outright fucking hypocrisy and false outrage of lefties.

Of course these threats and statements towards Bush were not headline news ...after all it only voiced the MSM's own views.


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A Republican aide also pointed out that over the years Republican members of Congress received their fair share of death threats during volatile times. Newt Gingrich after the 1994 Republican revolution and the late Henry Hyde during the Clinton impeachment in 1998 both received numerous death threats. And just last month, Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) received death threats after his filibuster of unemployment benefits, according to a report in Roll Call.

And that ignores the posters, web postings, videos, protest chants, and even movies hinting at or outright expressing a wish to assassinate President George W. Bush over the past eight years. Democrats condemned those all along the way? I must have missed that constant stream of condemnations.

Pardon my skepticism, but this sounds like an attempt by the Democratic Party to victimize the Democratic Party. “You hate our health care legislation we just passed anyway? Well, uh, look over there! Constituents harassing Congressman. Condemn the threats, Republicans!”

Which isn’t to say Congressman can’t receive death threats. Obviously they do. But that’s not what Hoyer’s blustering is about. It’s about deflecting any potential political blowback.

read here
 
All this whining will do is open the door for a bit of "so do they" BS. It isn't worth noticing other than to keep posting those pictures and showing off their hypocrisy. Asking for video of the people who called the Civil Rights dude the 'n-word', some evidence more than some story told by them and repeated by the media.
 
Damocles said:
All this whining will do is open the door for a bit of "so do they" BS. It isn't worth noticing other than to keep posting those pictures and showing off their hypocrisy. Asking for video of the people who called the Civil Rights dude the 'n-word', some evidence more than some story told by them and repeated by the media.
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It's the faux hypocritical outrage that sickens me.
 
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