DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Prove me wrong.
Ramming healthcare thru via reconciliation?
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Then it is likely nobody will ever find out. By putting off any benefit from this legislation (unless you call higher taxation a benefit) it is unlikely anybody will "see" the benefit before this is unwound. This is crap legislation. People want them to pass something, the best bet for Ds would be to drop this monstrosity of malformation and start over including Rs. If the Rs refuse to participate the numbers would reverse quickly at that point.
Well, rest easy my friend. The reforms have already passed through non-reconciliation means. The process will unfold thusly:
1) House passes the Senate bill that has already passed the Senate. President signs the bill and Reform is now law.
2) Senate passes reconciliation bill amending the law in some respects.
3) House passes Senate reconciliation bill.
I agree to an extent that passing the underlying bills would be an abuse of the reconciliation process (although there are aspects of the bills that are appropriate for the process) but that's not what is likely to happen and that's not what the Democrats are proposing.
This only works if Pelosi is able to get Congress to pass the Senate Bill totally unaltered, as equitable bills do not exist at this time. The promise of reconciliation to "fix" what they believe to be the "problems" in the Senate bill is tempting but may not be enough to get you a bill passed when many know they are quite literally signing their resignation by voting for that.
I'm just telling you how the process would work. House passes Senate bill, Senate (or House) passes reconciliation bill, House (or Senate) passes reconciliation bill. That's what is being discussed. No one is contemplating passing an entire brand new bill through reconciliation.
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
Obama hasn't stopped smoking and he is trying to push healthcare?
Actually, I misspoke. The process would require the House to pass the Senate bill. That becomes law. Then the House passes a separate reconciliation bill. My understanding is that the reconciliation bill would have to originate from the House, not the Senate.
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The Almighty
No, it is not. It is a bunch of accounting tricks. Not to mention the fact that Medicare and Medicaid currently have about $30 trillion in unfunded liabilities already. This bill ADDS to the deficit once you remove the tricks. The doc fix is just one example of the politicians playing games. Pulling out that huge cost and setting it up in a bill on its own, then pretending this healthcare bill is paid for is a joke.
Add it the fact that this HC bill also requires future Congress's to actually CUT spending... and the laughter continues.
finally.... you are a moron. I was the one making the statement that it is unfunded. I was not suggesting anyone else on this board made that argument. Therefore it cannot be a strawman you simpleton.
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The Almighty
Please list the bills the filibuster was used on....
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
If this is crap legislation and I'm under the impression that no UHC plan would meet with your approval. Why is the rest of the industrialized nations doing this and why do they achieve higher results at lower costs? This brings up the serious probability (not possibility) that you are quite wrong.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Oh come on don't burn straw and tell me it's perfume. Do you even know what an unfunded mandate is?
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The Almighty
ok... now which of those was the filibuster used on?
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
That's pure propaganda. Most countries with a UHC plan are struggling with it, and having to enact capitalist measures to "fix" what it wrong with it.... the UK is a prime example. Several of the "glorious" examples trotted out, are from SOCIALIST countries, where the people don't really get a choice in the matter, and have to accept whatever their government allows them to have. Why did Canada's Prime Minister come to the US for his recent surgery? It certainly wasn't because the UHC in Canada had given them the best medical care in the world, was it?
Here's the better probability, you are a nitwit who swills socialist koolaid as fast as they can pump it out, because you don't have the sense to come in out of the rain and you believe all the garbage the socialists tell you. Morons like yourself are the exact reason we've had to sacrifice thousands of our finest soldiers to save the world twice in the past, and undoubtedly, will have to do so again real soon. Idiots never seem to learn the lessons of history.
The filibuster was attempted on all of them. That's why motions for cloture were filed.
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The Almighty
again moron.... If it is MY POSITION that I am stating then it cannot be a straw man.
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Now dipshit... would you care to embarrass yourself further?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Plus he's got a drinking problem. And, according to his wife, two fat daughters.
I know how it would work, but again only if the House passes an unaltered Senate Bill, like I posted previously but you apparently misunderstood. I do not believe it is likely considering how many of the House know it is a death warrant to their political career.
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The Almighty
so all those motions for cloture when the Dems were in a minority... what was that?
I understand what you're saying, I'm just telling you that no one is talking about passing the entire healthcare reform bill through the reconciliation process. Reconciliation doesn't even come up unless and until the House passes the Senate bill.