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By Paul Krugman

For readers who don’t know what I’m talking about: ever since Reagan, the G.O.P. has been run by people who want a much smaller government. In the famous words of the activist Grover Norquist, conservatives want to get the government “down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.”

But there has always been a political problem with this agenda. Voters may say that they oppose big government, but the programs that actually dominate federal spending — Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security — are very popular. So how can the public be persuaded to accept large spending cuts?

The conservative answer, which evolved in the late 1970s, would be dubbed “starving the beast” during the Reagan years. The idea — propounded by many members of the conservative intelligentsia, from Alan Greenspan to Irving Kristol — was basically that sympathetic politicians should engage in a game of bait and switch. Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government’s fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit.

And the deficit came. True, more than half of this year’s budget deficit is the result of the Great Recession, which has both depressed revenues and required a temporary surge in spending to contain the damage. But even when the crisis is over, the budget will remain deeply in the red, largely as a result of Bush-era tax cuts (and Bush-era unfunded wars). And the combination of an aging population and rising medical costs will, unless something is done, lead to explosive debt growth after 2020.

So the beast is starving, as planned. It should be time, then, for conservatives to explain which parts of the beast they want to cut. And President Obama has, in effect, invited them to do just that, by calling for a bipartisan deficit commission.

Many progressives were deeply worried by this proposal, fearing that it would turn into a kind of Trojan horse — in particular, that the commission would end up reviving the long-standing Republican goal of gutting Social Security. But they needn’t have worried: Senate Republicans overwhelmingly voted against legislation that would have created a commission with some actual power, and it is unlikely that anything meaningful will come from the much weaker commission Mr. Obama established by executive order.

Why are Republicans reluctant to sit down and talk? Because they would then be forced to put up or shut up. Since they’re adamantly opposed to reducing the deficit with tax increases, they would have to explain what spending they want to cut. And guess what? After three decades of preparing the ground for this moment, they’re still not willing to do that.

In fact, conservatives have backed away from spending cuts they themselves proposed in the past. In the 1990s, for example, Republicans in Congress tried to force through sharp cuts in Medicare. But now they have made opposition to any effort to spend Medicare funds more wisely the core of their campaign against health care reform (death panels!). And presidential hopefuls say things like this, from Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota: “I don’t think anybody’s gonna go back now and say, Let’s abolish, or reduce, Medicare and Medicaid.”

What about Social Security? Five years ago the Bush administration proposed limiting future payments to upper- and middle-income workers, in effect means-testing retirement benefits. But in December, The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page denounced any such means-testing, because “middle- and upper-middle-class (i.e., G.O.P.) voters would get less than they were promised in return for a lifetime of payroll taxes.” (Hmm. Since when do conservatives openly admit that the G.O.P. is the party of the affluent?)

At this point, then, Republicans insist that the deficit must be eliminated, but they’re not willing either to raise taxes or to support cuts in any major government programs. And they’re not willing to participate in serious bipartisan discussions, either, because that might force them to explain their plan — and there isn’t any plan, except to regain power.

But there is a kind of logic to the current Republican position: in effect, the party is doubling down on starve-the-beast. Depriving the government of revenue, it turns out, wasn’t enough to push politicians into dismantling the welfare state. So now the de facto strategy is to oppose any responsible action until we are in the midst of a fiscal catastrophe. You read it here first.
 
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The occasional use of the return key can help separate out paragraphs and make the wall of text a readable, if long, post on a message board.
 
Krugman either knows nothing about economics, or does and lies about economics to suit his agenda. Either way reading his shit is a waste of time.
 
No, my degree is in engineering, however I was lucky enough to take econ from a professor who knew his stuff, unlike the Nobel prize winners Krugman and Obama.
 
SM just got his economics degree out of a cracker jack box, decides now is a good time to take on a nobel prize winner.
Any time is okay to take on a Nobel Prize "Winner"... The recipients are selected by political affiliation and willingness to spout whatever the "committee" wants you to say.
 
Any time is okay to take on a Nobel Prize "Winner"... The recipients are selected by political affiliation and willingness to spout whatever the "committee" wants you to say.

Like Milton Friedman? Or any of the other right-wingers that have won it in recent years?

Your just jealous because you're idiot don't always win. The unfortunate fact is that 99% of economists are erronous in their political beliefs, so the nobel committee can only rarely give it to the distinguished person with correct political beliefs.
 
No, my degree is in engineering, however I was lucky enough to take econ from a professor who knew his stuff, unlike the Nobel prize winners Krugman and Obama.

Your proffessor? Probably of the erronous school that lead to the current recession, and the great depression before that. Conservatism is just one stupid thing after the other.
 
Your proffessor? Probably of the erronous school that lead to the current recession, and the great depression before that. Conservatism is just one stupid thing after the other.
Actually, he was a firm believer in Reaganomics. Surely you remember that time period, the longest period of growth in modern US history?
 
In the famous words of the activist Grover Norquist, conservatives want to get the government “down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.”

I like it....we should have been using this as a campaign slogan.....

You read it here first.
actually no, I've been reading it for about thirty years....it's just that nobody ever does anything about it.....
 
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i like how watermark gets all upset when someone argues against krugman because krugman won a nobel prize....yet, when you post krugman's words and watermark doesn't know they're krugmans (despite giving a link), he will argue against them, but then recant when he finds out krugman said it

that is all
 
Actually, he was a firm believer in Reaganomics. Surely you remember that time period, the longest period of growth in modern US history?

Reagan's term had mediocore growth rates that mostly only even existed just because of the massive deficit spending he was pumping into the economy. Clinton had the longest period of growth in modern US history, and his growth rates were actually decent.

If he's a believer in "reagonomics" he'd be laughed out of any modern economic school. There have been no economic policies more thoroughly discredited in history than the Reagan disaster.
 
Reagan's term had mediocore growth rates that mostly only even existed just because of the massive deficit spending he was pumping into the economy. Clinton had the longest period of growth in modern US history, and his growth rates were actually decent.

If he's a believer in "reagonomics" he'd be laughed out of any modern economic school. There have been no economic policies more thoroughly discredited in history than the Reagan disaster.

Clinton kept most of Reagan's economic policies including advisers like Greenspan. He was smart enough to let the market handle the economy and let the Reagan boom continue; again, and as you just admitted, for the longest period of economic growth in modern US history.
 
Like Milton Friedman? Or any of the other right-wingers that have won it in recent years?

Your just jealous because you're idiot don't always win. The unfortunate fact is that 99% of economists are erronous in their political beliefs, so the nobel committee can only rarely give it to the distinguished person with correct political beliefs.

Obviously you are missing the point here.

It's perfectly acceptable for Damo to make shit up to help him ignore the truth.

After all, he's just using HYPERBOLE to make a point.
 
Like Milton Friedman? Or any of the other right-wingers that have won it in recent years?

Your just jealous because you're idiot don't always win. The unfortunate fact is that 99% of economists are erronous in their political beliefs, so the nobel committee can only rarely give it to the distinguished person with correct political beliefs.
The committee has changed since it awarded Friedman. This is like saying college campuses aren't subject to liberal ideation from professors because a zillion years ago there were many conservative professors. It wasn't as politically motivated in 1976 as it is today. It isn't that hard to figure out when AlGore wins because of a bad powerpoint presentation...

It's silly to pretend that the body is the same now as it was in 1976.
 
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