Hostile architecture latest movement to deter homeless, bums, and thieves

[T. A. Gardner]

The US urban landscape in areas with high crime, high homelessness, and other negative social issues is changing. Businesses, governments, and individuals are building into the landscape, "Hostile architecture."

This involves making urban surfaces unusable to those parts of the landscape negative parts of society might use. For example, park benches are designed and made such that you can't lie down and sleep on the. Sidewalks where you might camp are made such you can't pitch a tent on them. Businesses switch materials to things that can't be smashed like replacing glass with bulletproof Lexan sheets.

The intent of all of this is to deter to a point those negatives from congregating near places those using hostile architecture don't want them. These measures are passive, so government has little or no say in preventing their use.

https://www.theurbanist.org/2023/12/11/urbanism-101-hostile-architecture/
https://www.cnn.com/style/article/n...furzer-hostile-architecture-debate/index.html
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/hostile-architecture

It seems the more the radical Left codifies into law means for the homeless, thugs, criminals, and other destroyers of society the means to carry out that without repercussions, the more rational people come up with countermeasures to completely demolish the Left's stupidity.

 

[Bigdog]

Efforts to stop panhandling. I call them Bum Guards.

In the 'burbs', I've seen "humped" medians to make it uncomfortable to panhandle from them.

 

[Lionfish]

Gotta love democrat run cities.

 

[Nomad]

The US urban landscape in areas with high crime, high homelessness, and other negative social issues is changing. Businesses, governments, and individuals are building into the landscape, "Hostile architecture."

This involves making urban surfaces unusable to those parts of the landscape negative parts of society might use. For example, park benches are designed and made such that you can't lie down and sleep on the. Sidewalks where you might camp are made such you can't pitch a tent on them. Businesses switch materials to things that can't be smashed like replacing glass with bulletproof Lexan sheets.

The intent of all of this is to deter to a point those negatives from congregating near places those using hostile architecture don't want them. These measures are passive, so government has little or no say in preventing their use.

https://www.theurbanist.org/2023/12/11/urbanism-101-hostile-architecture/
https://www.cnn.com/style/article/n...furzer-hostile-architecture-debate/index.html
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/hostile-architecture

It seems the more the radical Left codifies into law means for the homeless, thugs, criminals, and other destroyers of society the means to carry out that without repercussions, the more rational people come up with countermeasures to completely demolish the Left's stupidity.

While I support such measures including piping loud classical symphony music into known homeless congregation areas, the criticism of laws that try not to punish the innocent along with the guilty is unfounded.

The right seeks to make the lives of all homeless people more difficult, even the ones who don't cause the kinds of destruction and property damage these architectural features are meant to deter.

IOW, they want to punish law abiding homeless people along with the lawbreakers.

Reminds me of the exact same argument the right always uses against stricter gun laws.

I guess it's OK to punish the innocent along with the guilty in some cases but not others.

 

[Nomad]

Efforts to stop panhandling. I call them Bum Guards.

In the 'burbs', I've seen "humped" medians to make it uncomfortable to panhandle from them.

It'll be interesting to see the increased level of damage to vehicles and injury to people that will occur when someone accidentally runs their car up on that median.

Hard to believe state highway building codes would even allow something like that.

Must be in some shithole redneck red state.

 

[Cypress]

How often do Republicans vote to fund homeless shelters and more funding for mental health resources and facilities?

Never? Almost never? Very rarely?

 

[Diesel]

The US urban landscape in areas with high crime, high homelessness, and other negative social issues is changing. Businesses, governments, and individuals are building into the landscape, "Hostile architecture."

This involves making urban surfaces unusable to those parts of the landscape negative parts of society might use. For example, park benches are designed and made such that you can't lie down and sleep on the. Sidewalks where you might camp are made such you can't pitch a tent on them. Businesses switch materials to things that can't be smashed like replacing glass with bulletproof Lexan sheets.

The intent of all of this is to deter to a point those negatives from congregating near places those using hostile architecture don't want them. These measures are passive, so government has little or no say in preventing their use.

https://www.theurbanist.org/2023/12/11/urbanism-101-hostile-architecture/
https://www.cnn.com/style/article/n...furzer-hostile-architecture-debate/index.html
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/hostile-architecture

It seems the more the radical Left codifies into law means for the homeless, thugs, criminals, and other destroyers of society the means to carry out that without repercussions, the more rational people come up with countermeasures to completely demolish the Left's stupidity.

What codification for "the homeless, thugs, criminals, and other destroyers of society" has the "radical Left" (so dramatic in the middle of the night) accomplished in order to "carry out that without repercussions"?

On social issues, I'm left of center. As a real estate professional, I have been replacing grassy areas with jagged rocks in order to prevent encampments for a very long time. I have been locking water spigots and electrical outlets to prevent unauthorized use for a very long time. I have been using moth balls and the sound of screaming seagulls to deter sleeping for a very long time. I have also been installing skate stops on handrails and walls to discourage skateboarding for a very long time.

So in hindsight, was there any validity or point in your post or was it simply another anti-liberal rant?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

How often do Republicans vote to fund homeless shelters and more funding for mental health resources and facilities?

Never? Almost never? Very rarely?

Ask only the questions to which you already know the answers, right?

Right now, the Russiapublicans support NOTHING
that isn't 100% about getting the pigfucking orangutan back into the Oval Office.

No other important issue exists in the world to them.
Not even immigration, it turns out.
How stupid a mark must one be to be taken in by them?

 

[cawacko]

Living in San Francisco I can speak first hand to the failures of progressive policies on dealing with the homeless. (And to the idea of funding, we spend billions on it, it's not a funding issue).

That said, NIMBYism may be one of the last few bi-partisan things remaining. And NIMBYism plays a huge role in the lack of development of much needed housing. Remember Trump's statement "I'll protect your suburbs"? That was a very 1960's style statement (as suburbs have greatly changed since then) stating I'll prevent more density being built in your neighborhoods. So simply putting Republicans in power isn't going to fix the problem if they have the same anti-housing/development mindset.

In San Francisco we practice NIMBYism on steroids. We passed a billion dollar bond measure for housing for the homeless and then they never build it because everyone fights against it being built. On one hand it's understandable when you pay a couple of million dollars for your home/condo that you might not want a homeless shelter next door. But it has to be built somewhere... But most Republicans aren't going to have a different reaction to that than San Francisco liberals do.

 

[cawacko]

Ask only the questions to which you already know the answers, right?

Right now, the Russiapublicans support NOTHING
that isn't 100% about getting the pigfucking orangutan back into the Oval Office.

No other important issue exists in the world to them.
Not even immigration, it turns out.
How stupid a mark must one be to be taken in by them?

No. We spend billions in SF/LA and California on the homeless, and the problem has only gotten worse. There are resources being pumped into it, but simply spending money does mean it's being spent in an effective way.

 

[Bigdog]

It'll be interesting to see the increased level of damage to vehicles and injury to people that will occur when someone accidentally runs their car up on that median.

Hard to believe state highway building codes would even allow something like that.

Must be in some shithole redneck red state.

New Bedford, Massachusetts.

https://www.southcoasttoday.com/sto...-median-deter-panhandlers-route-6/5500609001/

I've seen the "humped" medians in my nazi blue State, Maryland.

Nazi Libs are always soooo racist. They always attack the Black States.

 

[Bigdog]

How often do Republicans vote to fund homeless shelters and more funding for mental health resources and facilities?

Never? Almost never? Very rarely?

"The Last Bill JFK Signed — And The Mental Health Work ...

WBUR
https://www.wbur.org › news › 2013/10/23 › communi...
Oct 23, 2013 — Kennedy signed a bill meant to free many thousands of Americans with mental illnesses from life in institutions.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2013/10/23/community-mental-health-kennedy

The 1963 CMHA act.

 

[Cypress]

"The Last Bill JFK Signed — And The Mental Health Work ...

WBUR
https://www.wbur.org › news › 2013/10/23 › communi...
Oct 23, 2013 — Kennedy signed a bill meant to free many thousands of Americans with mental illnesses from life in institutions.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2013/10/23/community-mental-health-kennedy

The 1963 CMHA act.

^^^ frantic Googler who can never express himself in his own words.

Hoping in your time machine and time traveling back over a decade doesn't answer if Republicans are enthusiastic funders of homeless shelters and mental health resources

 

[Bigdog]

^^^ frantic Googler who can never express himself in his own words.

Hoping in your time machine and time traveling back over a decade doesn't answer if Republicans are enthusiastic funders of homeless shelters and mental health resources

I backed up my words with facts. It's why nazi libs hate me.

It shows that Democrats created the problem.

They started removing the benches at some bus stops in Baltimore county. It has helped stopped the bums from hanging out there.

Cali's pro homeless narrative is a disaster. And the homeless frequently decline institutional help.

 

[Cypress]

I backed up my words with facts. It's why nazi libs hate me.

It shows that Democrats created the problem.

They started removing the benches at some bus stops in Baltimore county. It has helped stopped the bums from hanging out there.

Cali's pro homeless narrative is a disaster. And the homeless frequently decline institutional help.

You frantically Googled for ten seconds and declared yourself the expert on the homeless crises.

You didn't investigate what Reagan did to exacerbate the homeless situation, you posted an article over ten years old, you failed to acknowledge the bill Gavin Newsome signed, and you fled in panic from the question about whether conservatives are enthusiastic funders of homeless shelters and mental health resources

 

[leaningright]

No. We spend billions in SF/LA and California on the homeless, and the problem has only gotten worse. There are resources being pumped into it, but simply spending money does mean it's being spent in an effective way.

Driving by the Superdome yesterday evening when we got to New Orleans there were piles of trash, several piles of sleeping bags, blankets, etc. looking out the window from our hotel I could see a beautiful park with walking trails…and several who have staked out park benches for the night. It’s sad. And I don’t have the answers.

I have tried to help a few people back home and the bottom line is that several appear not to want help. You get them fed and cleaned up and start talking about trying to help them get to a point of being self supporting and a lot of times you get, “I could never do that” or something similar that leads you to believe they’ve given up or don’t want to start trying.

IMO, most I’ve encountered and seen need to be institutionalized for their protection and for the protection of others…but in most cases for their protection alone. The wife missed the turn to our hotel yesterday evening and had to make the block to get back to it. As we did, at the back of a restaurant I see a poor, obviously malnourished lady having an argument … with nothing. If I were king I think I’d focus on building, staffing and funding institutions to help people like her first. Sadly, most I’ve encountered or tried to help would qualify for admittance.

There is a fellow in our small community. Was a good student when he was younger, comes from a decent family, etc. He had a bad car wreck when was in his 20’s. Got hooked on prescription drugs as he was “recovering.” Never could kick it. He wanders the roads now, a man in his late 30’s, often talking to himself or no one. Were it not for his sister and brother he would not have a place to live…and sometimes he chooses to “camp” in places he shouldn’t. Most of the time he isn’t on anything but when he gets a bit of money from mowing yards or doing odd jobs you can bet he’s going to find something with which to mess himself up. If he lived in a city with no family he’d be just like some of the folks I saw yesterday. Like I said, it’s sad.

 

[Bigdog]

You frantically Googled for ten seconds and declared yourself the expert on the homeless crises.

You didn't investigate what Reagan did to exacerbate the homeless situation, you posted an article over ten years old, you failed to acknowledge the bill Gavin Newsome signed, and you fled in panic from the question about whether conservatives are enthusiastic funders of homeless shelters and mental health resources

The Democrat controlled congress passed the 1981 Omnibus bill that Reagan signed, idiot.

I'll wait for you to frantically google it, pissant.

I pointed out Cali's pro homeless disaster. Nuff said.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

The US urban landscape in areas with high crime, high homelessness, and other negative social issues is changing. Businesses, governments, and individuals are building into the landscape, "Hostile architecture."

This involves making urban surfaces unusable to those parts of the landscape negative parts of society might use. For example, park benches are designed and made such that you can't lie down and sleep on the. Sidewalks where you might camp are made such you can't pitch a tent on them. Businesses switch materials to things that can't be smashed like replacing glass with bulletproof Lexan sheets.

The intent of all of this is to deter to a point those negatives from congregating near places those using hostile architecture don't want them. These measures are passive, so government has little or no say in preventing their use.

https://www.theurbanist.org/2023/12/11/urbanism-101-hostile-architecture/
https://www.cnn.com/style/article/n...furzer-hostile-architecture-debate/index.html
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/hostile-architecture

It seems the more the radical Left codifies into law means for the homeless, thugs, criminals, and other destroyers of society the means to carry out that without repercussions, the more rational people come up with countermeasures to completely demolish the Left's stupidity.

and this is the marxist dialectic.

all of this could have been nipped in the bud if we never allowed homeless people to fucking pitch tents.

the age-old "deal" with the homeless has been that they maintain the ability to move along at sunup.


now progressives destroyed that to suck totalitarianism into our lives.

 

[Nomad]

New Bedford, Massachusetts.

https://www.southcoasttoday.com/sto...-median-deter-panhandlers-route-6/5500609001/

I've seen the "humped" medians in my nazi blue State, Maryland.:

Well, right-wing Trumper Nazis manage to get elected in blue states too, where they then enact their vindictive policies.

In this case, typical of right-wing governance, their little ploy doesn't even work.

The panhandlers have learned how to walk on those stones with ease.

Case in point....

".... a 43-year-old lanky guy named “Scottie B.” has been at this off ramp at the intersection with Pleasant Street nearly every day for the past year. Scottie walks along those Belgian blocks with the agility of a gymnast, never missing a sure step as he travels by the long lines of traffic coming off the Fairhaven bridge.

At the intersection, Scottie ambles slowly along the long lines of traffic coming off the bridge, quietly holding his sign, only making eye contact and talking to those who engage him. He explains it’s safer to walk while the cars are stopped than to wait for the cars to stop for him.

Scottie is not alone. There is another group of panhandlers who work the other sides of the same intersection. And another whole group of them who work the intersection of Rockdale Avenue and Route 18 in the South End.

Scottie, who doesn’t display any overt signs of either substance abuse or mental illness, says he doesn’t make a whole lot of money at his spot but it’s evidently enough to keep him going. Maybe $60 on a good day. His main goal, he said, is to avoid what he sees as unfair child support payments that garnish most of his paycheck if he works on the books. He had been doing different kinds of under-the-table blue-collar work around town before he lost the temporary work at the start of the pandemic.

“I think it’s a pretty sad state of affairs that this is the mayor’s idea of help,” he said.

“I see panhandling as a mode of survival.”

https://newbedfordlight.org/new-bedfords-panhandler-remedy-is-on-the-rocks-jack-spillane-column/

Nazi Libs are always soooo racist. They always attack the Black States.

Maybe if racist, white-hating blacks like you would stop all the mayhem they're responsible for, it wouldn't be necessary.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

How often do Republicans vote to fund homeless shelters and more funding for mental health resources and facilities?

Never? Almost never? Very rarely?

On the flip side, the Democrats / Left wants to legalize all drugs, handout free hypodermic needles, pass "right to rest" laws that make it legal to camp on city sidewalks and lie in doorways of businesses, etc. They further refuse to even in the slightest degree criminalize aggressive panhandling, public defecation or urination, graffiti, and a plethora of related urban (mostly) actions that encourage the homeless and low-level criminals to congregate in a city.

A little "homeless repellant" goes a long way-- Note: Never use it on a person, just their possessions and locations where they nest.

Let them know you care that they go somewhere else.