Why LBJ is ranked in top 10 or 12 presidents

Flash said:
Because you disagree with their ranking does not make them corrupt or ignorant.

Who would you put #1?
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I am not qualified to make a list, but that Historians now say what they are expected to say rather than the truth is obvious, and conforms to the massive lying that takes place in this society now.
 
I am not an expert, BUT based upon what I know of LBJ he would if he could speak now conclude that The Great Society has been a disaster....and he would be right.
 
Cypress said:
Why he is consistently ranked by historians within the top 10 or 12 presidents:

Civil Rights Act
Medicare
Voting Rights Act
Medicaid
Expansion of SS disability insurance
Food Stamps
Etc.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/20/presidents-ranking-trump-biden-list
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Of more interest to me is the conniption the MAGAts are having by seeing the Orange Jesus ranked dead last.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/20/presidents-ranking-trump-biden-list
Trump ranked as worst US president in history, with Biden 14th greatest
Survey of 154 scholars places 45th president behind even ‘historically calamitous chief executives’ linked to civil war
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am not an expert, BUT based upon what I know of LBJ he would if he could speak now conclude that The Great Society has been a disaster....and he would be right.
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On what basis do you call it a disaster?
Is it because the poverty rate in the US has been cut in half of what it was before LBJ?

Give us your objective standard for making your claim.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am not qualified to make a list, but that Historians now say what they are expected to say rather than the truth is obvious, and conforms to the massive lying that takes place in this society now.
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There is nothing historians are "expected to say." If so, they would all give the same answers.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Of more interest to me is the conniption the MAGAts are having by seeing the Orange Jesus ranked dead last.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/20/presidents-ranking-trump-biden-list
Trump ranked as worst US president in history, with Biden 14th greatest
Survey of 154 scholars places 45th president behind even ‘historically calamitous chief executives’ linked to civil war
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Trump is a corrupt insurrectionist with 91 felony indictments to his name, and has been found liable for fraud, defamation, and sexual assault in courts of law.

He is 45th worst, and no other president comes close.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
On what basis do you call it a disaster?
Is it because the poverty rate in the US has been cut in half of what it was before LBJ?

Give us your objective standard for making your claim.
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I wouldn't call it a disaster but there are problems with a "welfare state". Psychologically, it's harmful for a person to grow up dependent upon the State instead of being armed with an attitude and ability of self-sufficiency.
 
Cypress said:
Trump is a corrupt insurrectionist with 91 felony indictments to his name, and has been found liable for fraud, defamation, and sexual assault in courts of law.

He is 45th worst, and no other president comes close.
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Can't disagree with any of those facts.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am not an expert, BUT based upon what I know of LBJ he would if he could speak now conclude that The Great Society has been a disaster....and he would be right.
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A large fraction of your MAGA moron friends are currently on the healthcare, disability, and food assistance programs LBJ enacted, and they owe him a debt of gratitude for that.
 
It must be noted that the Swamp/Blob killed the President before LBJ, and shoved out the one after....this was always a time where a great President was unlikely to be found.
 
Cypress said:
A large fraction of your MAGA moron friends are currently on the healthcare, disability, and food assistance programs LBJ enacted, and they owe him a debt of gratitude for that.
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America is in collapse, and the 1960's radicals have a lot to do with this.
 
Doc Dutch said:
I wouldn't call it a disaster but there are problems with a "welfare state". Psychologically, it's harmful for a person to grow up dependent upon the State instead of being armed with an attitude and ability of self-sufficiency.
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The welfare state ended during Clinton. People do not live on welfare. You have to find a job after 2 years and you have a lifetime limit of 5 years.
 
Doc Dutch said:
I wouldn't call it a disaster but there are problems with a "welfare state". Psychologically, it's harmful for a person to grow up dependent upon the State instead of being armed with an attitude and ability of self-sufficiency.
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It's much more harmful to grow up without enough to eat or a roof over your head.
Do you happen to know anyone that grew up receiving some assistance from the "welfare state?" I am guessing not if you think those that did can't be self sufficient.
 
It's because we've spent over $13 Trillion in his War on Poverty, only to have slightly more people living below the poverty line than in 1968. Progressives live for that stuff.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It's much more harmful to grow up without enough to eat or a roof over your head.

Do you happen to know anyone that grew up receiving some assistance from the "welfare state?" I am guessing not if you think those that did can't be self sufficient.
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Agreed. Still, can't we do better?

Yes. In all cases they were mentally ill.
 
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