Big night for Democrats!

TOP said:
He's reading notes that someone else wrote and telling Tall Tales...he barely knows what day it is without the notes... if you don't see that you're not paying they will keep encouraging him to step aside...
He's too busy working on a tan while the world Burns... we don't need four more years of that...
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Bullshit. However even if it is his notes they are his and no politician or leader jumps into that position with preparing himself. Anyone who listened to him speak the other day and thinks he is suffering from dementia is lying to themself, even if he was reading off a teleprompter. Not like Trump who sounds like a babbling idiot every time he opens his mouth.
 
Obama_Phone said:
If a non viable fetus is cut out of a woman in a crime event, and ritually sacrificed on moloch altar, is that murder?
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Yes.

Only the woman can ultimately choose to terminate a fetus that will eventually become a child.

If she wants to keep that Fetus and allow it to develop into a baby, society recognizes rightly that anyone who kills that Fetus within her, against her will is not only killing her Fetus, but is killing the Child she was allowing to develop within her.

This is not unique in law.

If i enter a construction site, i am barred from entering, because i oppose the big new project being built, and I deliberately destroy all of the construction materials, I am not just liable for the cost of the materials, but also for the cost incurred and damage to the yet to be finished (born) project. Even though the new building does not exist yet the law can and does recognize the future harm i have done.

If those same construction materials were just sitting in a yard idle and not ear marked for any use, and i destroyed them I would only be liable for that specific damage.


so this big attempt at a gotcha religious nuts always try, falls flat. The law can and should recognize the mothers view on the future viability (or not) of a Fetus as she decided if a zygote will be allowed to develop into something that is protected.
 
Port Tack said:
Bullshit. However even if it is his notes they are his and no politician or leader jumps into that position with preparing himself. Anyone who listened to him speak the other day and thinks he is suffering from dementia is lying to themself, even if he was reading off a teleprompter. Not like Trump who sounds like a babbling idiot every time he opens his mouth.
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If you actually believed what you wrote you would have never mentioned Trump...
 
QP! said:
Yes.

Only the woman can ultimately choose to terminate a fetus that will eventually become a child.

If she wants to keep that Fetus and allow it to develop into a baby, society recognizes rightly that anyone who kills that Fetus within her, against her will is not only killing her Fetus, but is killing the Child she was allowing to develop within her.

This is not unique in law.

If i enter a construction site, i am barred from entering, because i oppose the big new project being built, and I deliberately destroy all of the construction materials, I am not just liable for the cost of the materials, but also for the cost incurred and damage to the yet to be finished (born) project. Even though the new building does not exist yet the law can and does recognize the future harm i have done.

If those same construction materials were just sitting in a yard idle and not ear marked for any use, and i destroyed them I would only be liable for that specific damage.


so this big attempt at a gotcha religious nuts always try, falls flat. The law can and should recognize the mothers view on the future viability (or not) of a Fetus as she decided if a zygote will be allowed to develop into something that is protected.
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This is priceless...;)
 
TOP said:
I just knew that you would provide a few stories and no actual statistics..... you do realize there's a "story for every occasion" and around here not accepted as proof of anything... that's a liberal rule by the way....
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Wow. So you read my post where i talked about 'increasing stories' and you went all of these posts to prove you knew i was just talking about 'stories'.

You are impressive. And by that i mean impressively stupid.

Stories matter, because as any teacher knows, stories become statistics as they start to get counted. Statistics of any meaning DO NOT exist at the very beginnings of a change, again something any teacher would know. The statistics will follow though as time is allowed to accumulate enough for meaningful discussion.

And lest we forget, i provided you the 'story' as you said you did not know of any such cases, ...so now you do.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Yes.

What a truly heart-breaking story. The rest of it is even more heart-breaking -- and terrifying. Amanda developed sepsis and she ended up in the ICU, near death.



But to forced-birthers, this is okay, it's just collateral damage. So at least ten unwanted babies were born, during their ordeal, to women in poverty -- but the couple who has the will and means to raise a child are denied.
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There is a another element to the forced birthers wanting church members, donors and their army as i state above and that is that they want to keep a fully staffed working class. A kind of pseudo slave class.

That is why you find the Red Magat States push the hardest to create forced births, while at the same time trying to absolutely minimize any education or healthcare they get, so they become docile worker bees with no power, to impose the ownership class.

That is what Mike Johnson was speaking to when he says Abortion is responsible for the ballooning debt. He speaks to how all those additional workers lost harms the economy.
 
QP! said:
Wow. So you read my post where i talked about 'increasing stories' and you went all of these posts to prove you knew i was just talking about 'stories'.

You are impressive. And by that i mean impressively stupid.

Stories matter, because as any teacher knows, stories become statistics as they start to get counted. Statistics of any meaning DO NOT exist at the very beginnings of a change, again something any teacher would know. The statistics will follow though as time is allowed to accumulate enough for meaningful discussion.

And lest we forget, i provided you the 'story' as you said you did not know of any such cases, ...so now you do.
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I went what? And the beginning of what change? You are making a bit of sense and I've already said there is a story for every occasion...;) I didn't need for you to find one... as you know Google can come up with a story for anything...
 
QP! said:
Yes.

Only the woman can ultimately choose to terminate a fetus that will eventually become a child.

If she wants to keep that Fetus and allow it to develop into a baby, society recognizes rightly that anyone who kills that Fetus within her, against her will is not only killing her Fetus, but is killing the Child she was allowing to develop within her.

This is not unique in law.

If i enter a construction site, i am barred from entering, because i oppose the big new project being built, and I deliberately destroy all of the construction materials, I am not just liable for the cost of the materials, but also for the cost incurred and damage to the yet to be finished (born) project. Even though the new building does not exist yet the law can and does recognize the future harm i have done.

If those same construction materials were just sitting in a yard idle and not ear marked for any use, and i destroyed them I would only be liable for that specific damage.


so this big attempt at a gotcha religious nuts always try, falls flat. The law can and should recognize the mothers view on the future viability (or not) of a Fetus as she decided if a zygote will be allowed to develop into something that is protected.
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so you subscribe to the narcissistic mother complex?

If mama aint happy, nobody's happy?

ha ha ha. so funny.

this terrifying refrain is actually cross-stitched and put on throw pillows in the parlor.

:truestory:

mgtow for the win.
 
QP! said:
That should be an easy joke to laugh at, as hyperbole, but in fact many religious people do oppose all such forms 'assisted reproductive technology', as you probably know.
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Yep. Remember how stem cell research in the U.S. was banned under Shrub, exc. for one particular cell line, because of religious zealots? This put us years behind other nations in research.
 
TOP said:
Slow down when you post...:) I work with people for a living... I'm pretty sure I don't need an outside source to provide information for me..
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You obviously do if you have not heard of any...

Mothers in states with abortion bans nearly 3 times more likely to die
Women in states with abortion bans are nearly three times more likely to die during pregnancy, childbirth or soon after giving birth.
https://www.axios.com/2023/01/19/mothers-anti-abortion-bans-states-die
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States with more abortion restrictions have higher maternal and infant mortality
Maternal death rates in states that restricted abortion were 62% higher than in states where abortion was more easily accessible.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ns-higher-maternal-infant-mortality-rcna61585
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Our High School actually had a mobile unit that came to school to provide Healthcare including birth control and prenatal care for quite some time... You ?
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If it wasn't Planned Parenthood it was a a group just like them, you must have been aghast!

And what do you mean by "you"? I'm 68 and pushing retirement with a son and daughter pushing 40. I haven't a clue what my old high school is doing.
 
Port Tack said:
Bullshit. However even if it is his notes they are his and no politician or leader jumps into that position with preparing himself. Anyone who listened to him speak the other day and thinks he is suffering from dementia is lying to themself, even if he was reading off a teleprompter. Not like Trump who sounds like a babbling idiot every time he opens his mouth.
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Almost all speakers use notes and/or a teleprompter to organize their thoughts and deliver them. So does the Bloviating Bully.

Toxic TOP does not use any news sources other than those that say what she wants to hear. Fox and others take clips of Biden speaking and/or walking and/or other activities, and carefully edit them to make him appear fumbling, confused, and physically frail. That's why she won't look at the speech you reference in its entirety, because the truth would burn her.
 
Port Tack said:
You obviously do if you have not heard of any...






If it wasn't Planned Parenthood it was a a group just like them, you must have been aghast!

And what do you mean by "you"? I'm 68 and pushing retirement with a son and daughter pushing 40. I haven't a clue what my old high school is doing.
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I don't know of any and I still don't know of any factually... you provided anecdotal stories...
 
Obama_Phone said:
If a non viable fetus is cut out of a woman in a crime event, and ritually sacrificed on moloch altar, is that murder?
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Nope, neither is a an abortion. I think there were around 600,000 abortions last year, how many of those mothers are in prison for murder? How many have been charged with murder? How many convicted? I really don't give a shit what assholes like you want to call it, it isn't murder.
 
Port Tack said:
Nope, neither is a an abortion. I think there were around 600,000 abortions last year, how many of those mothers are in prison for murder? How many have been charged with murder? How many convicted? I really don't give a shit what assholes like you want to call it, it isn't murder.
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I guess the moral of the story is that if need a sacrificial baby, stab early.
 
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