Are conditions on pretrial release unconstitutional?

Yakuda said:
What a load of horseshit. You fuckers would execute trump right now if you could. Honest to goodness you can no longer be taken seriously. You used to make some sense but you're becoming increasingly more unhinged every day.
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They want him to die in jail. They want the US to be a Banana Republic.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
gag orders on high profile cases have been ordered and enforced for years, if not decades........I see zero reason why this one shouldn't be allowed as well
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Correct. Jarod says "People are saying this," links to nothing showing who said it and because it is Jarod saying they are saying this some folks here decide to come in and defend it regardless of nobody having said it here before.

I get that, y'all want to knee-jerk defend against anything Jarod says, however Jarod tends to like to troll nonsense like this. Some fringe weirdo (possibly) got on TV and said this, it isn't something that any mainstream folks are saying anywhere that I've seen. I haven't even seen Fox News set of Trump bathwater drinkers saying it...

Reality: Gag orders during trials are a regular thing when the press can be used to taint juries/results. Both the State and the defendant have a right to a fair trial.
 
ExpressLane said:
The gag order on Trump is an unconstitutional restriction of Free Speech. Judges aren't allowed to violate the Constitution. The judge also can't jail Trump to shut down his free speech. I don't like a lot of what liberals say but the government should not restrict their right to say them and the government should not jail them to prevent them from saying the thing that I don't want to hear. You are just another crappy ambulance chaser that wants to ignore the Constitution.
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Tell us more russian concocted talking points designed to destroy America


I’m sure you carry a full load of them
 
Damocles said:
Correct. Jarod says "People are saying this," links to nothing showing who said it and because it is Jarod saying they are saying this some folks here decide to come in and defend it regardless of nobody having said it here before.

I get that, y'all want to knee-jerk defend against anything Jarod says, however Jarod tends to like to troll nonsense like this. Some fringe weirdo (possibly) got on TV and said this, it isn't something that any mainstream folks are saying anywhere that I've seen. I haven't even seen Fox News set of Trump bathwater drinkers saying it...

Reality: Gag orders during trials are a regular thing when the press can be used to taint juries/results. Both the State and the defendant have a right to a fair trial.
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So you are on the trump train huh
 
Damocles said:
Correct. Jarod says "People are saying this," links to nothing showing who said it and because it is Jarod saying they are saying this some folks here decide to come in and defend it regardless of nobody having said it here before.

I get that, y'all want to knee-jerk defend against anything Jarod says, however Jarod tends to like to troll nonsense like this. Some fringe weirdo (possibly) got on TV and said this, it isn't something that any mainstream folks are saying anywhere that I've seen. I haven't even seen Fox News set of Trump bathwater drinkers saying it...

Reality: Gag orders during trials are a regular thing when the press can be used to taint juries/results. Both the State and the defendant have a right to a fair trial.
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https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...p-may-be-satisfying-But-it-isn%92t-constituti

ExpressLane said:
Trump was gagged illegally. The court has to follow the Constitution. Do you think you are more verse in Constitutional law than Constitutional Law Professor and Berkeley Law School Dean Chemerinsky. How many books on the subject of Constitutional law have you published?
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Damocles said:
Correct. Jarod says "People are saying this," links to nothing showing who said it and because it is Jarod saying they are saying this some folks here decide to come in and defend it regardless of nobody having said it here before.

I get that, y'all want to knee-jerk defend against anything Jarod says, however Jarod tends to like to troll nonsense like this. Some fringe weirdo (possibly) got on TV and said this, it isn't something that any mainstream folks are saying anywhere that I've seen. I haven't even seen Fox News set of Trump bathwater drinkers saying it...

Reality: Gag orders during trials are a regular thing when the press can be used to taint juries/results. Both the State and the defendant have a right to a fair trial.
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I am glad we agree about Gag orders being generally Constitutional.
 
evince said:
So you are on the trump train huh
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You literally cannot read. Reread the response you quoted here, read it slowly so your slow brain can catch it, pay particular attention to the last sentence. Then apologize, I'll wait.
 
Yakuda said:
Is he violent? Please dont try the, he said he could shoot someone bullshit, answer the question. The constitution is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
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Is he violent? Didn't he instigate the Jan 6 violent riot?????

You must be referring to the Trumpian constitution.
 
I don’t want trump DEAD


I want him to live a long time in prison



So whenever the Republican Party tries to tell smear lies about issues and Democratic Party candidates we can point to trump so you idiots will be reminded of why NO ONE BRLIEVES YOUR LIES ANYMORE
 
Jarod said:
So are Trumppers who claim Trumps gag order is unconstitutional saying conditions on pretrial release are unconstitutional?

Does the constitution require unconditional release?

I thought just a few months ago y’all were bitching about big cities doing away with pretrial detention.
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No, we are saying that restrictions on speech, particularly political speech by the opposition candidate, is unconstitutional and tyrannical - the act of third world banana republics.

Xi's Biden Regime is very similar to the Regime of Pol Pot.
 
Damocles said:
Correct. Jarod says "People are saying this," links to nothing showing who said it and because it is Jarod saying they are saying this some folks here decide to come in and defend it regardless of nobody having said it here before.

I get that, y'all want to knee-jerk defend against anything Jarod says, however Jarod tends to like to troll nonsense like this. Some fringe weirdo (possibly) got on TV and said this, it isn't something that any mainstream folks are saying anywhere that I've seen. I haven't even seen Fox News set of Trump bathwater drinkers saying it...

Reality: Gag orders during trials are a regular thing when the press can be used to taint juries/results. Both the State and the defendant have a right to a fair trial.
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Free speech can be gag to protect the DEFENDANTS right to a fair trial but not to protect prosecutors like Jack Smith according to the SCOTUS.
 
Jarod said:
I am glad we agree about Gag orders being generally Constitutional.
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We definitely agree about that. The trial rights are important. Imagine if there was no way to gag folks, in most trials the prosecution could use their position as a soap box to taint every jury out there without regard to the defendant's trial rights. Now, if the trial has no jury... that's where some start questioning things. Is the Judge saying they can be swayed by public opinion? Should a judge in a bench trial gag a defendant when there is no jury to taint?

In a civil trial where the defendant has no jury to taint should the judge gag the defendant simply because the judge does not like what the defendant has to say?
 
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