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Still making shit up, ain't ya Commie?
Range anxiety is becoming a thing of the past as electric vehicle technology advances
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Still making shit up, ain't ya Commie?
The government does not care if they are easier to build. They are concerned with pollution and public health.
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No. He's accurate. Now to deal with your load of shit.
You are AGAIN forgetting the strip mining, the slave labor, the hauling of materials across the ocean several times, and the charging cycle.
Wrong again. EVs use about twice the energy of the ICE vehicle, which simply burns the gasoline to move the car, rather than the EV burning fuel to run a power station and dealing with the losses at the power station, transformers, trunk and distribution lines, and, of course, the battery itself both during charging and discharging.
What 'emissions' are you talking about?? Water? Carbon dioxide? Both are naturally occurring materials. Both are absolutely essential for life on Earth.
Oh this chant again. Sorry dude, EVs require specially equipped shops to maintain them. That means dealer repair for EVERYTHING. The supply chain stretches across the Pacific ocean several times. ICE cars don't have that. ICE cars can be maintained or fixed by the owner using commonly available tools.
It's not a drag race, dude. While EVs do accelerate faster, their handling in other respects suck because of the heavy weight of the battery.
Oh this chant again. Already answered above.
Oh this buzzword again. Learn what 'fact' means. It does NOT mean Universal Truth or 'proof'.
It's not a drag race, dude.
They tend to come in the usual black or white.
Oh this chant again.
FOX News is owned and operated by DEMOCRATS, moron. Among other things I'm a mechanic AND an engineer, moron. I also know how ICE vehicles WASTE ENERGY, WASTE resources, are EXPENSIVE(!!), and why they have poor handling. I also know how ICE owners are consumed by constantly charging their damn car. They boast 'extended' range that I laugh at since my ICE car has twice the range. I don't have to spend hours to refuel. Just a few minutes at a gas station, effectively giving the ICE vehicle unlimited range. I'm not limited to freeways and major roads either, like EVs are. I can even carry extra gas in cans and refuel literally anywhere, even far away from any road or electrical power sources.
Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. There are reasons why.
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Oh THAT buzzword again. Learn what 'fact' means. It does NOT mean Universal Truth.
Nope. Both Ford and Toyota (the largest vehicle manufacturer) are GETTING OUT OF EVs. They are LOSING MONEY on them.
There it is. All hanging out pink and naked. It is government mandates and subsidies and NOTHING else driving the so-called 'EV craze'.
Not really. They still require all the machining, bodywork, etc. of any car design. In addition, they must be built with a heavier specially designed chassis to accommodate the batteries and their cooling system, the motors and their cooling system, the transmission for them, and of course all the heavy electrical wiring and throttle control they require. Then there is the batteries themselves, which must be manufactured in clean rooms, specially equipped to purify and handle the lithium metal safely, and of course all the shipping of materials and components across the Pacific ocean multiple times.
Founding a hunk of aluminum, drilling a few holes, installing steel sleeves, crank, and rods doesn't require anything more than a hot fire and some common machine tools.
Oh this chant again. Already answered above. They are NOT more profitable. Ford and Toyota are getting OUT OF EVs because they are LOSING MONEY on them. EVs are EXPENSIVE! I can buy two or even three brand new ICE cars for the price of a single EV. EVs use about twice the energy than an ICE car.
Oh this buzzword again. Learn what 'fact' means. It is not a 'demonstration'. It is not a Universal Truth. It is not a proof.
Oh this chant again.
No, EVs use about twice the energy of an ICE vehicle.
Buzzword fallacy again. Learn what 'fact' means. Facts are not debates. Facts are not a Universal Truth. Facts are not a proof.
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TWO container ships were DESTROYED by EV fires.
EVs not only catch fire just sitting there doing otherwise nothing, they burn HOT, and they are not a class A fire (not until the entire battery pack is involved). Quite a few houses have BURNED DOWN because of an EV fire in the garage. Many shops won't work on them because of the fire risk. Some apartment and condo complexes won't let them park in the garage because of the fire risk. Insurance costs are HIGHER because of the fire risk.
If a driver and passengers happen to be in the EV when it catches fire, it can make it quickly impossible to open the doors and escape in time. The fire moves too fast and tends to disable electrical systems needed to open the doors quickly (a problem with Teslas).
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It is YOU ignoring science, dude. You are ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. You cannot blame YOUR problems on anyone else.
You cannot create energy out of nothing.
You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap light.
You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
No gas or vapor has any magick ability to do any of these things. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
Your 'environmental professionalism' is nothing more than a religion.
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He exposed nothing, except being a religious fanatic like you.
Right. Mounting a dismounting a 2000lb battery like it was nothing. Oh...you still have to CHARGE THEM! You still have to CHARGE THEM FASTER THAN people coming in to swap batteries!
It takes DAYS or WEEKS to charge an EV battery from solar panels alone.
Oh THAT chant again. There is NOTHING 'clean' about obtaining and shipping materials multiple times across the Pacific ocean to make the batteries.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Right...let's use a battery that is THREE TIMES HEAVIER than a Li-ion battery to power a car! Instead of a 2000lb battery, you have a 6000lb battery! Do that much more, dude, and you will build a car that can only be driven by someone with a CDL!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! So they are showing a 'proof of concept' without building it! Vaporware doesn't work, dude.
So it's about communism and fascism again. Governments manipulating markets and taking money from taxpayers to give to unproductive uses.
TANSTAAFL. The batteries still need to be CHARGED, dumbass.
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Why would I bother with a car that is two or even three times the cost of a gasoline car, can only be maintained in specially equipped shops, is a fire hazard just sitting there, can't tow anything or carry heavy loads (other than the damn battery!), and takes hours or days to 'refuel'?
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Oh THIS chant again. You are now trying to make a political argument for EVs, the very thing you accuse the 'right' of doing.
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What 'pollution'? Name this 'pollution'. What is polluting what?
T. A. Gardner
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Then why are most EV manufacturers losing their asses on every vehicle sold? Why does the government have to heavily subsidize them? Why is the government by fiat outlawing sales of new ICE vehicles within a few years?
If EV's could make it in the marketplace on their merits, there would be no need for government interference in the market to force people to buy them. A hundred years ago, EV's existed. So did ICE vehicles. The ICE vehicles won the market handily over their competition with no government interference. Today, the ONLY reason EV's are growing in market share--let me repeat that ONLY--is because of government subsidies and mandates.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
There are many reasons to make your next vehicle purchase an electric car. Lower fuel costs, environmental stewardship, and energy independence are compelling reasons to go electric with your next car. Here are the top three benefits of electric vehicles.
1. Reduce or even eliminate your fuel costs
Weekly trips to the gas station to fill up your car are expensive, especially when the ever-fluctuating price of gasoline is high. By choosing an electric vehicle, you can forget about paying for gasoline and being at the mercy of gas prices. Not only is electricity less expensive than gasoline, it also has a much more stable price point, meaning that rapid price swings are all but eliminated by going electric.
You can reduce your costs even further by installing a rooftop solar installation to charge your electric vehicle. When you produce your own free electricity, you avoid increasing your monthly electric bill by plugging your electric car into the grid. Due to the remarkable flexibility of electricity generation, it is possible to remove fuel costs from your life entirely.
2. Help the environment
Carbon dioxide emissions from traditional vehicles contribute to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and accelerate climate change. All-electric vehicles don’t release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere when you drive them, and hybrid electric cars use their battery to improve significantly the distance you can travel with a gasoline-powered engine.
Electric vehicles can be fueled by electricity from renewable sources, such as wind, hydropower, and solar, while gasoline can only be produced through intensive extraction and transportation processes. Electric vehicles are also built to be more environmentally friendly than conventional vehicles, as the large battery inside your electric car can be recycled. You can reduce your carbon footprint and pollution impact by choosing an electric car to help preserve our natural environment.
3. Become energy independent
Owning a conventional vehicle means being tied to the gas pump – the only way to fuel your car is by buying gasoline. Electric vehicles are fueled by connecting to the electric grid, and electricity can be produced through several generation methods. Importantly, electric vehicles allow you to become energy independent, through the installation of renewable electricity generation such as a solar array to fuel your car. By pairing a solar PV system with an electric vehicle, you can become energy independent and produce free electricity from the sun to power your car, instead of buying fuel at the gas pump
1. Reduce or even eliminate your fuel costs
Weekly trips to the gas station to fill up your car are expensive, especially when the ever-fluctuating price of gasoline is high. By choosing an electric vehicle, you can forget about paying for gasoline and being at the mercy of gas prices. Not only is electricity less expensive than gasoline, it also has a much more stable price point, meaning that rapid price swings are all but eliminated by going electric.
You can reduce your costs even further by installing a rooftop solar installation to charge your electric vehicle. When you produce your own free electricity, you avoid increasing your monthly electric bill by plugging your electric car into the grid. Due to the remarkable flexibility of electricity generation, it is possible to remove fuel costs from your life entirely.
2. Help the environment
Carbon dioxide emissions from traditional vehicles contribute to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and accelerate climate change. All-electric vehicles don’t release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere when you drive them, and hybrid electric cars use their battery to improve significantly the distance you can travel with a gasoline-powered engine.
Electric vehicles can be fueled by electricity from renewable sources, such as wind, hydropower, and solar, while gasoline can only be produced through intensive extraction and transportation processes. Electric vehicles are also built to be more environmentally friendly than conventional vehicles, as the large battery inside your electric car can be recycled. You can reduce your carbon footprint and pollution impact by choosing an electric car to help preserve our natural environment.
3. Become energy independent
Owning a conventional vehicle means being tied to the gas pump – the only way to fuel your car is by buying gasoline. Electric vehicles are fueled by connecting to the electric grid, and electricity can be produced through several generation methods. Importantly, electric vehicles allow you to become energy independent, through the installation of renewable electricity generation such as a solar array to fuel your car. By pairing a solar PV system with an electric vehicle, you can become energy independent and produce free electricity from the sun to power your car, instead of buying fuel at the gas pump
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Tesla manages to greatly improve camera quality on its cars through software update
Tesla has managed to greatly improve its camera quality on its existing electric cars with HW3 through an over-the-air software update.
Lately, Tesla has been flexing its capability to improve its vehicles with over-the-air software updates.
Earlier this week, we reported on Tesla making its vehicles safer through an over-the-air software update that now automatically activates and speeds up hazard lights after a crash.
Now the automaker has started to push another impressive new upgrade through an over-the-air software update – this time to its cameras.
With the latest 2023.32 Tesla software update, the rendering quality of the cameras around your Tesla vehicles have greatly improved has highlighted by this side-by-side comparison:
Tesla has managed to greatly improve its camera quality on its existing electric cars with HW3 through an over-the-air software update.
Lately, Tesla has been flexing its capability to improve its vehicles with over-the-air software updates.
Earlier this week, we reported on Tesla making its vehicles safer through an over-the-air software update that now automatically activates and speeds up hazard lights after a crash.
Now the automaker has started to push another impressive new upgrade through an over-the-air software update – this time to its cameras.
With the latest 2023.32 Tesla software update, the rendering quality of the cameras around your Tesla vehicles have greatly improved has highlighted by this side-by-side comparison:
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
New technology could make it possible to use your electric vehicle as a power source for your home. While the idea might seem a little silly, utilizing your electric vehicle as a source of energy for your house could help during power outages and other emergencies. The new tech is called bidirectional charging, and when utilized in EVs, it allows power transfer from the EV battery back to a house’s power system.
Of course, the other really useful part of using bidirectional charging in your EV is to use it as a power source while camping or on road trips. You could use it to power fans and portable appliances, charge up your devices, and more, all without having to worry about packing an extra generator in the process. This is known as “vehicle to load,” or V2L.
Of course, the other really useful part of using bidirectional charging in your EV is to use it as a power source while camping or on road trips. You could use it to power fans and portable appliances, charge up your devices, and more, all without having to worry about packing an extra generator in the process. This is known as “vehicle to load,” or V2L.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
You make great points, Mott.
The far right morons know they can't win this debate so they have to lie and misrepresent the facts.
As Tesla prepares to set up its first factory in India, local automakers are ramping up their EV efforts. Anand Mahindra, chairman of automobiles-to-hospitality conglomerate Mahindra & Mahindra, is accelerating the company’s push into electric SUVs with plans to invest $1.2 billion over the next seven years. In August, Singapore state investor Temasek Holdings agreed to pay $145 million for a small stake in Mahindra Electric Automobile, valuing the company’s EV subsidiary at close to $10 billion.
The Mumbai-based group, the country’s largest maker of SUVs (by revenue), started selling its first electric SUV, the XUV 400, in January this year, notching up 10,000 bookings for the vehicle over a single weekend. Its Born Electric range of SUVs is still in the works. Production of this range is expected to start next year with five models expected to hit the market by 2027.
The automaker, which is aiming for green SUVs to account for between 20% and 30% of its total SUV sales by 2027, is setting up a new factory in its home state of Maharashtra in western India. This is expected to manufacture 200,000 EVs annually by 2027. The company is already India’s leading maker of electric three-wheelers, with a market share of more than 65%, and is now increasing production by expanding its tractor factory in the southern state of Telangana to make electric three-wheelers starting next year.
Into the Night
Verified User
And now for some more chanting by The Commie...
2. Help the environment
You cannot create energy out of nothing.
You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap light.
You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas.
CO2 is not a pollutant.
EVs are expensive. They waste energy. They do not 'save the planet'. They are not 'energy independent'.
Nope. You still have to charge the battery. EVs use almost twice the energy of a gasoline car. Even if you choose solar panels, they take a long time to charge your car and are very expensive.
A lot cheaper than installing solar panels and wasting energy from power plants. Your 'low cost' is just your subsidies from government, or communism.
2. Help the environment
There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse gas' except as a religious artifact. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. Climate cannot change.
You cannot create energy out of nothing.
You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap light.
You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas.
CO2 is not a pollutant.
They do when you charge them or build them or dispose of them though. Oh...and the driver does release carbon dioxide when he's driving.
Nope. The battery is strictly ballast. The car gets worse mileage than a similar sized car with only one engine instead of two.
Most electricity is generated using coal or natural gas. Solar power is piddle power, and is the most expensive method of generating electricity. Wind is 2nd. Hydroelectric power can only be used where there is suitable terrain to build a dam.
The battery pack cannot be recycled. It is cheaper simply to make new batteries, even with the high cost of lithium.
It doesn't 'save the planet' or 'preserve the natural environment'.
Nope. EVs require energy to run. You must buy that energy from somewhere.
Refueling a gasoline car takes mere minutes. As little as you drive, you could go for two weeks before needing to refuel again.
So?
Usually by coal or natural gas. EVs waste a lot of energy too, using almost twice the energy than a gasoline car would.
TANSTAAFL. Nothin's free. Oil is a renewable fuel. Solar panels are COSTLY.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
EV sales hit record in 3rd quarter.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ev-sales-hit-new-record-in-q3-as-tesla-market-share-dips-194135842.html
The electric vehicle transformation in the US hit yet another milestone last quarter.
According to automotive research firm Kelley Blue Book (KBB), US EV sales in the third quarter crossed 313,000, nearly a 50% increase from a year ago, and around 15,000 more than the 298,000 sold in Q2. Cox Cox Automotive (KBB's parent company) said EV market share hit 7.9%, its highest ever level and up from the 6.1% recorded a year ago.
"Higher inventory levels, more product availability, and downward pricing pressure have helped spur continued linear growth of EV sales in the U.S. market," said Jonathan Smoke, Cox Automotive's chief economist.
Three years ago, total EV sales for the year passed 250,000, and KBB says this year EV sales are on pace to top 1 million. KBB also noted 14 new EV models were now in the mix, and automakers like Volvo, Nissan, Mercedes, and Hyundai saw EV sales gains of over 200%.
MAGA soils diapers
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ev-sales-hit-new-record-in-q3-as-tesla-market-share-dips-194135842.html
The electric vehicle transformation in the US hit yet another milestone last quarter.
According to automotive research firm Kelley Blue Book (KBB), US EV sales in the third quarter crossed 313,000, nearly a 50% increase from a year ago, and around 15,000 more than the 298,000 sold in Q2. Cox Cox Automotive (KBB's parent company) said EV market share hit 7.9%, its highest ever level and up from the 6.1% recorded a year ago.
"Higher inventory levels, more product availability, and downward pricing pressure have helped spur continued linear growth of EV sales in the U.S. market," said Jonathan Smoke, Cox Automotive's chief economist.
Three years ago, total EV sales for the year passed 250,000, and KBB says this year EV sales are on pace to top 1 million. KBB also noted 14 new EV models were now in the mix, and automakers like Volvo, Nissan, Mercedes, and Hyundai saw EV sales gains of over 200%.
MAGA soils diapers
Into the Night
Verified User
EV sales hit record in 3rd quarter.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ev-sales-hit-new-record-in-q3-as-tesla-market-share-dips-194135842.html
The electric vehicle transformation in the US hit yet another milestone last quarter.
According to automotive research firm Kelley Blue Book (KBB), US EV sales in the third quarter crossed 313,000, nearly a 50% increase from a year ago, and around 15,000 more than the 298,000 sold in Q2. Cox Cox Automotive (KBB's parent company) said EV market share hit 7.9%, its highest ever level and up from the 6.1% recorded a year ago.
"Higher inventory levels, more product availability, and downward pricing pressure have helped spur continued linear growth of EV sales in the U.S. market," said Jonathan Smoke, Cox Automotive's chief economist.
Three years ago, total EV sales for the year passed 250,000, and KBB says this year EV sales are on pace to top 1 million. KBB also noted 14 new EV models were now in the mix, and automakers like Volvo, Nissan, Mercedes, and Hyundai saw EV sales gains of over 200%.
MAGA soils diapers
More made up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.
Higher inventory means the cars aren't selling as well, dumbass.
ExpressLane
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Any ICE drivers here that have Range Anxiety? Asking for a friend.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Myth: The increase in electric vehicles entering the market will collapse the U.S. power grid.
FACT: Electric vehicles have charging strategies that can prevent overloading the grid, and, in some cases, support grid reliability.
It is true that the increasing number of electric vehicles (EVs) on the road will lead to increased electricity demand. Yet, how that impacts the grid will depend on several factors, such as the power level and time of day when vehicles are charged, and the potential for vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging 3 among others.
EVs can be charged at off-peak times, such as overnight, when rates are often cheaper. Even with a mix of charging times (so not all nighttime charging), research indicates that sufficient capacity will exist to cover EVs entering the market in the coming years.4 And further down the road, when renewables make up a larger part of our energy mix in many regions, switching to more daytime charging (when some renewables like solar generate energy) with some energy storage capability should allow the grid to handle increases in EV charging.5 California leads the country with more than 1 million electric vehicles and EV charging currently makes up less than 1% of the state’s grid total load, even during peak hours.6
Vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging allows EVs to act as a power source that may help with grid reliability by pushing energy back to the grid from an EV battery. This is done by allowing EVs to charge when electricity demand is low and drawing on them when that demand is high.
FACT: Electric vehicles have charging strategies that can prevent overloading the grid, and, in some cases, support grid reliability.
It is true that the increasing number of electric vehicles (EVs) on the road will lead to increased electricity demand. Yet, how that impacts the grid will depend on several factors, such as the power level and time of day when vehicles are charged, and the potential for vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging 3 among others.
EVs can be charged at off-peak times, such as overnight, when rates are often cheaper. Even with a mix of charging times (so not all nighttime charging), research indicates that sufficient capacity will exist to cover EVs entering the market in the coming years.4 And further down the road, when renewables make up a larger part of our energy mix in many regions, switching to more daytime charging (when some renewables like solar generate energy) with some energy storage capability should allow the grid to handle increases in EV charging.5 California leads the country with more than 1 million electric vehicles and EV charging currently makes up less than 1% of the state’s grid total load, even during peak hours.6
Vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging allows EVs to act as a power source that may help with grid reliability by pushing energy back to the grid from an EV battery. This is done by allowing EVs to charge when electricity demand is low and drawing on them when that demand is high.