After Years of Spreading Lies, Election Deniers Face Consequences

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The broad indictment includes some of the most prominent figures in the movement to subvert the election: Rudolph W. Giuliani, who presented state legislatures with what he said was evidence of fraud and has continued to make such claims as recently as this month; John C. Eastman, a lawyer and an architect of the scheme to create bogus slates of pro-Trump electors; David Shafer, the chairman of the Georgia Republican Party, who filed 16 fake electors; and Sidney Powell, a lawyer behind some of the wildest claims about election machines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/us/politics/election-deniers-charges-indictment.html
 
BidenPresident said:
The broad indictment includes some of the most prominent figures in the movement to subvert the election: Rudolph W. Giuliani, who presented state legislatures with what he said was evidence of fraud and has continued to make such claims as recently as this month; John C. Eastman, a lawyer and an architect of the scheme to create bogus slates of pro-Trump electors; David Shafer, the chairman of the Georgia Republican Party, who filed 16 fake electors; and Sidney Powell, a lawyer behind some of the wildest claims about election machines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/us/politics/election-deniers-charges-indictment.html
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What time does it start?
 
Trump’s free-speech defense in January 6 case is danger to democracy

Donald Trump’s dubious defense that he was exercising his free-speech rights in response to a four-count federal criminal indictment charging him with pushing illegal schemes to overturn his 2020 election loss is prompting ex-Department of Justice officials and scholars to criticize such claims as bogus and as threats to the rule of law.

“He does not have a first amendment right to steal an election by pressuring his vice-president to ignore and discount state certified electoral votes, encourage his supporters to storm the Capitol, create a fake elector scheme and intimidate state election officials. He did all this after he exhausted all legitimate legal remedies.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/16/donald-trump-free-speech-jan-6-case
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Really?

How has your life changed because of it?

Mine hasn't.
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Do you trust the voting system? A lot of Americans no longer trust the system. That’s the damage this has done even though there is proof it was one of the safest election in our history.
 
Phantasmal said:
You dodged the question, and it’s obvious why you did.

Do you trust the voting system?
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Not sure what you mean here?

Are you claiming there is never any election fraud?

I can prove that isn't true.

Many people are in prison for violating voting rules.

So do I trust that every vote is legitimate, of course not.
 
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