"It's Called Summer", Say Republicans on Record Heat

martin said:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/climate-change-heat-republicans_n_64c3c5bfe4b024f8ebc870f5

It's called not looking at what's in front of your face.
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leaningright said:
Well?
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Had similar sentiments.

I believe climate change is real and I believe humans contribute to it. That doesn't mean I support all legislation simply because it proclaims to address climate change.

To me, climate change is like a religion to some. I'll share an anecdotal story from a conversation with a poster on here that reinforced to me that it's as much about partisan politics as it is the environment. This poster was talking about all the good Democratic Governors did in California and how bad Arnold was. Ok, fine, whatever. I brought up AB 32 which was global warming clean energy (job killing) bill in California while Arnold was Governor. Whatever you think of Arnold he's always been an environmentalist and he went around the state stumping for the passage of AB 32 (which did pass and he signed).

This poster couldn't acknowledge it though. He gave all the credit to the state Congress and anyone but Arnold. To me, he could have said 'credit to Arnold, at least he did one thing right' or 'why can't more Republicans be like Arnold in this regard?' but instead it was I don't want to acknowledge his role at all. And that's because it's a partisan thing. Many on the left, imo, love the idea that they can gather and claim to be the ones who care about the environment. They would rather have that than people like Arnold.
 
cawacko said:
Had similar sentiments.

I believe climate change is real and I believe humans contribute to it. That doesn't mean I support all legislation simply because it proclaims to address climate change.

To me, climate change is like a religion to some. I'll share an anecdotal story from a conversation with a poster on here that reinforced to me that it's as much about partisan politics as it is the environment. This poster was talking about all the good Democratic Governors did in California and how bad Arnold was. Ok, fine, whatever. I brought up AB 32 which was global warming clean energy (job killing) bill in California while Arnold was Governor. Whatever you think of Arnold he's always been an environmentalist and he went around the state stumping for the passage of AB 32 (which did pass and he signed).

This poster couldn't acknowledge it though. He gave all the credit to the state Congress and anyone but Arnold. To me, he could have said 'credit to Arnold, at least he did one thing right' or 'why can't more Republicans be like Arnold in this regard?' but instead it was I don't want to acknowledge his role at all. And that's because it's a partisan thing. Many on the left, imo, love the idea that they can gather and claim to be the ones who care about the environment. They would rather have that than people like Arnold.
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For starters - man, do I love Arnold now. He makes me nostalgic about "good conservatism." I don't really recognize conservatives or Republicans today, or understand them. Arnold would have been a great President, imo.

As to warming: it is too late to do anything about it. I've read that even if we went cold turkey on emissions, it would be centuries before there was any discernible effect on the atmosphere. And we can't go cold turkey. Most proposals are pretty modest reductions, and barely keep up w/ consumption increase. And American action alone will barely do anything - the world would have to be on board, including China, Russia, India, et al.

All that said: I think it would behoove us as a species to at least start to live more sustainably, and work more in harmony w/ our planet than treating it as some sort of endless resource for whatever excesses we want to indulge in. The Earth is starting to fight back - and if it's us against the planet, the planet will win.
 
BidenPresident said:
Why are right wingers always taking ideological positions on scientific research? Are they just dumb?
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Because we’ve heard a lot of the doom and gloom before coming from “scientific” researchers…and suffered through policy that impacts our economies and livelihoods the most.

I’ve included several of the 18 that included dates in their predictions because that’s something they’ve learned since then. Don’t include a date in your gloom and doom predictions, just say it’s going to happen.

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-s...irst-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/
Some 1970 First Earth Day predictions…
1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years [by 1985 or 2000] unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
4. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich confidently declared in the April 1970 issue of Mademoiselle. “The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years [by 1980].”
5. “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born,” wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled “Eco-Catastrophe! “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
6. Ehrlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.”
8. Peter Gunter, a North Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China, and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
14. Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, “By the year 2000 if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say,`I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
15. Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated that humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.
16. Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look, “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
17. In 1975, Paul Ehrlich predicted that “since more than nine-tenths of the original tropical rainforests will be removed in most areas within the next 30 years or so [by 2005], it is expected that half of the organisms in these areas will vanish with it.”
18. Kenneth Watt warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an Ice Age.”
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And I’m not going to sit here and say that I disagree with all of the environmental policy that has been enacted, but what some earth worshippers would enact and implement … well, there’s a lot of it I think is dumb and just makes life tougher on people without benefitting anyone.
 
cawacko said:
Had similar sentiments.

I believe climate change is real and I believe humans contribute to it. That doesn't mean I support all legislation simply because it proclaims to address climate change.

To me, climate change is like a religion to some. I'll share an anecdotal story from a conversation with a poster on here that reinforced to me that it's as much about partisan politics as it is the environment. This poster was talking about all the good Democratic Governors did in California and how bad Arnold was. Ok, fine, whatever. I brought up AB 32 which was global warming clean energy (job killing) bill in California while Arnold was Governor. Whatever you think of Arnold he's always been an environmentalist and he went around the state stumping for the passage of AB 32 (which did pass and he signed).

This poster couldn't acknowledge it though. He gave all the credit to the state Congress and anyone but Arnold. To me, he could have said 'credit to Arnold, at least he did one thing right' or 'why can't more Republicans be like Arnold in this regard?' but instead it was I don't want to acknowledge his role at all. And that's because it's a partisan thing. Many on the left, imo, love the idea that they can gather and claim to be the ones who care about the environment. They would rather have that than people like Arnold.
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It’s real huh you shitty Russian tool


But you really wanted Siberia to be less cold

Your getting that huh

Along with the fact the only thing your motherland has to sell is oil
 
leaningright said:
Because we’ve heard a lot of the doom and gloom before coming from “scientific” researchers…and suffered through policy that impacts our economies and livelihoods the most.

I’ve included several of the 18 that included dates in their predictions because that’s something they’ve learned since then. Don’t include a date in your gloom and doom predictions, just say it’s going to happen.



And I’m not going to sit here and say that I disagree with all of the environmental policy that has been enacted, but what some earth worshippers would enact and implement … well, there’s a lot of it I think is dumb and just makes life tougher on people without benefitting anyone.
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Half century ago?! Not a good source.
 
leaningright said:
Because we’ve heard a lot of the doom and gloom before coming from “scientific” researchers…and suffered through policy that impacts our economies and livelihoods the most.

I’ve included several of the 18 that included dates in their predictions because that’s something they’ve learned since then. Don’t include a date in your gloom and doom predictions, just say it’s going to happen.

And I’m not going to sit here and say that I disagree with all of the environmental policy that has been enacted, but what some earth worshippers would enact and implement … well, there’s a lot of it I think is dumb and just makes life tougher on people without benefitting anyone.
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I could list dozens that HAVE come true.

So much has been gradual - we've just gotten used to it. But if someone 30 years ago could have transported to the present day & seen the conditions - the lost habitat, the polluted waterways, the storms & temperatures, and general living conditions - it would be shocking.

The way we live & consume energy simply isn't sustainable. That's not even arguable at this point. We won't last as a species unless we make significant changes.
 
leaningright said:
Because we’ve heard a lot of the doom and gloom before coming from “scientific” researchers…and suffered through policy that impacts our economies and livelihoods the most.

I’ve included several of the 18 that included dates in their predictions because that’s something they’ve learned since then. Don’t include a date in your gloom and doom predictions, just say it’s going to happen.



And I’m not going to sit here and say that I disagree with all of the environmental policy that has been enacted, but what some earth worshippers would enact and implement … well, there’s a lot of it I think is dumb and just makes life tougher on people without benefitting anyone.
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I sure would like to know what Democratic Policy caused you such miserableness of causing your livelihood to vanish!

Can you be more specific?

Or are you just all talk?

Sir, you are a retired school teacher, and I bet more Democratic Policies have helped you throughout your lifetime than any Republican policy ever did!

You just hate Democrats because you are a white evangelic who thinks you are superior in some way by being a Republican!

You may want to figure out who has done the most for you over your lifetime you cynical OLD FART!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
I sure would like to know what Democratic Policy caused you such miserableness of causing your livelihood to vanish!

Can you be more specific?

Or are you just all talk?
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I’m not talking about my livelihood in particular. I’m a semi-retired, working part time public school teacher.

I’m talking about policies to do away with anything natural gas or petroleum. Policy that restricts drilling and building pipelines…the jobs many people from my state (and from other conservative states) depend upon. Many of those jobs are still available but if it were up to some on the left they’d be gone for good.

And I don’t even want to delve into the conspiracy theories so many of the people I talk to think are happening. Wrong thread, wrong forum. While I don’t espouse to their theories I do care about these people, many of whom are kids I have taught and/or are parents of kids I am currently teaching.
 
leaningright said:
I’m not talking about my livelihood in particular. I’m a semi-retired, working part time public school teacher.

I’m talking about policies to do away with anything natural gas or petroleum. Policy that restricts drilling and building pipelines…the jobs many people from my state (and from other conservative states) depend upon. Many of those jobs are still available but if it were up to some on the left they’d be gone for good.

And I don’t even want to delve into the conspiracy theories so many of the people I talk to think are happening. Wrong thread, wrong forum. While I don’t espouse to their theories I do care about these people, many of whom are kids I have taught and/or are parents of kids I am currently teaching.
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Like cars making horse trainers irrelevant. We don't keep jobs that are useless.
 
Warming & weather changes are costing exponentially more than any legislation or measures we have put money into to try to protect the environment.
 
cawacko said:
Had similar sentiments.

I believe climate change is real and I believe humans contribute to it. That doesn't mean I support all legislation simply because it proclaims to address climate change.

To me, climate change is like a religion to some. I'll share an anecdotal story from a conversation with a poster on here that reinforced to me that it's as much about partisan politics as it is the environment. This poster was talking about all the good Democratic Governors did in California and how bad Arnold was. Ok, fine, whatever. I brought up AB 32 which was global warming clean energy (job killing) bill in California while Arnold was Governor. Whatever you think of Arnold he's always been an environmentalist and he went around the state stumping for the passage of AB 32 (which did pass and he signed).

This poster couldn't acknowledge it though. He gave all the credit to the state Congress and anyone but Arnold. To me, he could have said 'credit to Arnold, at least he did one thing right' or 'why can't more Republicans be like Arnold in this regard?' but instead it was I don't want to acknowledge his role at all. And that's because it's a partisan thing. Many on the left, imo, love the idea that they can gather and claim to be the ones who care about the environment. They would rather have that than people like Arnold.
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Of course this back and forth on online discussion sites is "a partisan thing". The facts or non-facts of climate change shouldn't be about politics at all; they should be left to the science community. But we have this never ending squabble among ignoramuses.
 
martin said:
Of course this back and forth on online discussion sites is "a partisan thing". The facts or non-facts of climate change shouldn't be about politics at all; they should be left to the science community. But we have this never ending squabble among ignoramuses.
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I do not understand why Republicans think they have to oppose climate science. Is it all about Trump and lying?
 
BartenderElite said:
For starters - man, do I love Arnold now. He makes me nostalgic about "good conservatism." I don't really recognize conservatives or Republicans today, or understand them. Arnold would have been a great President, imo.

As to warming: it is too late to do anything about it. I've read that even if we went cold turkey on emissions, it would be centuries before there was any discernible effect on the atmosphere. And we can't go cold turkey. Most proposals are pretty modest reductions, and barely keep up w/ consumption increase. And American action alone will barely do anything - the world would have to be on board, including China, Russia, India, et al.

All that said: I think it would behoove us as a species to at least start to live more sustainably, and work more in harmony w/ our planet than treating it as some sort of endless resource for whatever excesses we want to indulge in. The Earth is starting to fight back - and if it's us against the planet, the planet will win.
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Always easier to like people in hindsight (I think of Republicans and Clinton - many/most strongly disliked him while in office but today would take him in a heartbeat)

Had a recent article in our paper about a small group of people who no longer fly (for environmental reasons). I remember years ago a group of young (single) men in SF got their tunes tied (because of overpopulation). Those individual acts are hard to scale though. Goes against human nature.

Among the challenges globally is first world countries telling developing countries they have to cut back on needed energy uses to grow. Understand label they would be like F you. And among the developed world, it’s not easy to get people to give up their current lifestyle and consumption habits.

I work in CRE. Sustainability and decarbonization is all people want to talk about regarding buildings. So a lot is going on to address it.
 
leaningright said:
I’m not talking about my livelihood in particular. I’m a semi-retired, working part time public school teacher.

I’m talking about policies to do away with anything natural gas or petroleum. Policy that restricts drilling and building pipelines…the jobs many people from my state (and from other conservative states) depend upon. Many of those jobs are still available but if it were up to some on the left they’d be gone for good.

And I don’t even want to delve into the conspiracy theories so many of the people I talk to think are happening. Wrong thread, wrong forum. While I don’t espouse to their theories I do care about these people, many of whom are kids I have taught and/or are parents of kids I am currently teaching.
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I can say, I admire you for the personal sacrifices you have made by being a School Teacher.

But, I also know that public schools would be gone today, had it been left up to Republicans.

And I also know that every raise or benefit you ever got, you got because the Democrats in your state and local school administration worked their asses off to get it for you!

But you lean as far right as you want SIR!

Did you lean so far right that you voted for Trump twice now? Trump is a liar and cheat! I sure hope you do not allow your students to lie and cheat. Because you seem to support lying and cheating with your votes! What kind of an example could this be for children?

Not only that, But Oklahoma is one of the most environmental disasters in the United Stares because of Republican leadership and Mother Nature combined!!

https://sciencing.com/oklahoma-environmental-problems-6087578.html
https://journalrecord.com/2021/04/14/oklahoma-ranks-near-bottom-of-greenest-states-report/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...-jr-approves-oklahoma-disaster-declaration-3/

Next!
 
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