Giuliani admits that he lied about election fraud

PostmodernProphet said:
this may come as a shock but in the videos made of the counting process there was only one time that CASES were brought out from under a table where they had been covered by a cloth.....and that one time was when the observers had been removed from the room........it obviously was NOT standard procedure, and since counting occured when there were no observers, which was itself a violation of state law, I expect somewhere along the line someone asked her under oath WHY.......please provide a copy of that transcript or shut the fuck up.......
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I don't do links here. Never have.

But factchecks on the "suitcases" claim are everywhere - both liberal & conservative outlets, and independent. Before you join Trump & Giuliani in helping ruin the lives of selfless election workers, you may want to do just an eensy bit of research.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
this may come as a shock but in the videos made of the counting process there was only one time that CASES were brought out from under a table where they had been covered by a cloth.....and that one time was when the observers had been removed from the room........it obviously was NOT standard procedure, and since counting occured when there were no observers, which was itself a violation of state law, I expect somewhere along the line someone asked her under oath WHY.......please provide a copy of that transcript or shut the fuck up.......
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You are so deep in it. I’m sad for you.
 
BartenderElite said:
I don't do links here. Never have.

But factchecks on the "suitcases" claim are everywhere - both liberal & conservative outlets, and independent. Before you join Trump & Giuliani in helping ruin the lives of selfless election workers, you may want to do just an eensy bit of research.
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transcipt, twinkletoes or you've got absolutely nothing.....she violated the law in counting the ballots.....what part of that is NOT election fraud......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
did she also testify about WHY she had ballots in suitcases under the table that were counted after the vote watchers were removed from the building?......
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In fact they did.


And the finding was 'you're stupid'.


That you fell for the worst of the riggie lies is not surprising to anyone who has spoken to you. You are the template dupe Trump says he loves.

But that you have not seen how stalwart republi'cans' have already debunked it, is laughable.

Another lie you will not see anyone repeat in a court of law.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
this may come as a shock but in the videos made of the counting process there was only one time that CASES were brought out from under a table where they had been covered by a cloth.....and that one time was when the observers had been removed from the room........it obviously was NOT standard procedure, and since counting occured when there were no observers, which was itself a violation of state law, I expect somewhere along the line someone asked her under oath WHY.......please provide a copy of that transcript or shut the fuck up.......
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Hey moron this has been debunked.

 
Nordberg said:
His lies wrecked some lives. But the right does not care. The big lie, Trump's, has spawned many smaller ones. He started an industry of lies and liars, sending them across the nation and across platforms. They have a huge presence on this board.
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Think of all the investigations, prosecutions, media coverage, supporters attacking the Capitol, etc. all because Trump couldn't accept defeat.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
this may come as a shock but in the videos made of the counting process there was only one time that CASES were brought out from under a table where they had been covered by a cloth.....and that one time was when the observers had been removed from the room........it obviously was NOT standard procedure, and since counting occured when there were no observers, which was itself a violation of state law, I expect somewhere along the line someone asked her under oath WHY.......please provide a copy of that transcript or shut the fuck up.......
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[FONT=var(--font-1)]CLAIM: Poll workers and partisan observers were told to leave Atlanta’s State Farm Arena on election night, but four election workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases full of ballots out from under a table, and scanned them after hours without any supervision.[/FONT]


[FONT=var(--font-1)]THE FACTS: The video doesn’t show evidence of fraud, much less the “SMOKING GUN” evidence that Trump’s legal team claims on social media.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]No one told observers they had to leave, and both an independent monitor and an investigator oversaw the vote count, according to state and county officials. Confusion arose when election workers thought they were done for the night, but then were instructed to continue scanning ballots. But investigators who reviewed the entire surveillance tape confirmed it showed “normal ballot processing,” according to Gabriel Sterling, a top official in the secretary of state’s office.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]The video, which shows clips of surveillance footage from a room where ballots were counted, began gaining traction online on Thursday after volunteer Trump attorney Jackie Pick presented it for state senators during a hearing at the state Capitol.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]Pick claimed it showed a staff member telling partisan observers to leave the facility for the night about 10:30 p.m. After observers were “cleared out,” she said, four election workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases of ballots out from underneath a table, and counted them for two hours with no witnesses present.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]Fulton County Elections Director Richard Barron refuted those claims on Friday, saying in a public meeting that no observers were ever told to leave the facility.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]According to Barron, staff members who had been opening and flattening ballots for scanning started leaving the facility as their duties concluded.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]Other election workers started to pack up, Sterling told The Associated Press in an interview. They put prepared ballots back in boxes and away under a table “to close out for the night.” Members of the media and Republican observers began to leave the building too.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]Then, the supervisor onsite got a call from Barron, who instructed the team to continue scanning the ballots that had already been prepared. They pulled the same boxes of ballots back out, and resumed scanning, Sterling said.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]“These aren’t magical ballots,” Sterling told the AP. “They didn’t show up out of some other room.”[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]Georgia law § 21-2-408 permits observers to stay in the room the whole time, but doesn’t require it for counting to take place.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]After a short period when observers weren’t present, an independent state election board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 p.m., Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 a.m. Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]The Georgia secretary of state’s office said it was aware of the late-night counting, and confirmed that both its investigator and an independent monitor observed scanning “until it was halted for the night.”[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]The office said it had launched an investigation into why partisan poll observers left before scanning ended.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]The president’s team is “intentionally misleading the public about what happened at State Farm Arena on election night,” Sterling tweeted Friday. “They had the whole video too and ignored the truth.”

https://apnews.com/article/election...social-media-e9a73462e39e7aa39683f0f582a6659e[/FONT]
 
Flash said:
[FONT=var(--font-1)]CLAIM: Poll workers and partisan observers were told to leave Atlanta’s State Farm Arena on election night, but four election workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases full of ballots out from under a table, and scanned them after hours without any supervision.[/FONT]
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Fact: (as can easily be observed on video) The observers left.....whether you believe the observers were told or not, they obviously were not there.....the counting resumed on four cases of ballots that were removed from under a table, which was NOT where the other cases of ballots were brought from.....it WAS done in the early hours when the observers were not present.....it was during that same period when there was a swing of ballots that was in Biden's favor........why DON'T you want her questioned under oath about that?......
 
Flash said:
[FONT=var(--font-1)]After a short period when observers weren’t present, an independent state election board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 p.m., Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 a.m. Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said.[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]The Georgia secretary of state’s office said it was aware of the late-night counting, and confirmed that both its investigator and an independent monitor observed scanning “until it was halted for the night.”[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--font-1)]The office said it had launched an investigation into why partisan poll observers left before scanning ended.[/FONT]
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when can we expect the results of that investigation.....it appears that in addition to the four counting votes, you need to investigate one county official from the most Demmycrat county in Georgia and an unnamed state inspector of unknown political stance.......I thought you said it would require a conspiracy of tens of thousands to change the results of the election....
 
QP! said:
It is very curious that Trump chose to leave Rudy so high and dry and going broke, as if not concerned that a broke Rudy, is a very dangerous Rudy.

Of all the people you would think Trump would want to keep close and protect, it would be Rudy. But instead the reports are not only did Trump not pay for any of Rudy's required legal defenses, for the lies he told on behalf of Trump, but he also did not pay Rudy for the work he did as a lawyer for Trump.


We may well see if what Rudy said prior was true and that "...he has “insurance” if the president tries to turn on him..."
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Trump may have a hole card still keeping Rudy in check. It's reported his court admission yesterday forecloses the prosecution from going deeper, possibly further incriminating both himself and Trump. Not sure that is correct.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so it's been debunked somewhere, somehow......you just don't know where or how........understood.....
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Hey idiot this was an OFFICIAL FINDING by the US Attorney's office in that State who investigated it as being told to you in the video below by the REPUBLICAN former US Attorney.

"..We found that the suitcase full of ballots...seen being pulled from under the table... was actually an official lock box where ballots were kept safe..."





But of course why would you consider a US Attorney Investigation FINDING when you have Rudy Giuliani's words you find so convincing.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Fact: (as can easily be observed on video) The observers left.....whether you believe the observers were told or not, they obviously were not there.....the counting resumed on four cases of ballots that were removed from under a table, which was NOT where the other cases of ballots were brought from.....it WAS done in the early hours when the observers were not present.....it was during that same period when there was a swing of ballots that was in Biden's favor........why DON'T you want her questioned under oath about that?......
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Did the video show you when and how the ballots got under the table? (Hint- the full video does show that.)

Where does the video show a swing of ballots in Biden's favor?

Between 8:15 p.m. and 12:43 a.m., the change in total ballots went from 89,381 ballots to 99,133 ballots — so a difference of 9,752 votes — he said. And, again, that’s over the course of more than four hours, not just the time after observers and media left.
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/video-doesnt-show-suitcases-of-illegal-ballots-in-georgia/

Why do you ignore the fact that Ruby Freeman was questioned by the FBI?
https://sos.ga.gov/sites/default/files/2023-06/SEB2020-059 ROI redacted.pdf
On December 8, 2020, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Special Agent (SA) ,
Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) SA , and Georgia Secretary of State
(SOS) Investigator Frank “Paul” Braun interviewed Ruby Freeman at the Fulton County
Government Center. This interview was recorded and documented by FBI SA , all of
which was retained by the FBI.
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