Titanic-bound submersible suffered 'catastrophic implosion,' Coast Guard says

Hawkeye10 said:
There is also the matter that a whole lot of people are itching to hurt Musk, and hurting SpaceX is a means to that end.
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Most people think Musk should stray away from politics, and stick to what he does best! He makes an idiot out of himself on the political stage.
 
Cypress said:
Oceangate is going to go out of business, and I think it will be a while before another private company starts a business model of selling dives on the Titanic.
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Probably correct. Not because of authoritarian rules but simply because no one will insure them. It's all about the money. LOL
 
Tinkerpeach said:
We barely have the technology now to pull that off, it’s not really about the risk
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In part it is. The amount of testing to be allowed to send a rocket into space, a capsule into orbit is onerous. The FAA and NASA are all about zero tolerance when it comes to safety. If something isn't as close to 100% safe as it can be made, it isn't certified and allowed to fly. A lower margin of safety might result in more deaths and failures, but it would also increase the numerical success rate significantly.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Probably correct. Not because of authoritarian rules but simply because no one will insure them. It's all about the money. LOL
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Right, it's about whether this is a viable business model.

It's international waters, the U.S. can't really regulate or enforce diving restrictions on the wreck.

If someone ever does want to make this a business model again, I suspect they will do what Oceangate didn't want to do: submit their technology for independent testing and inspection by industry-standard consulting and engineering entities.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If we were more willing to accept risk, we'd likely have colonies on the Moon and Mars now.
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The money risk would be the largest risk.

The moon is a bad place to live, with no atmosphere, people would be exposed to radiation and constant meteor attack!

Mars is also a stretch because of the distance and cost.

Now a floating city out in the ocean may not be such a bad idea. These are already coming into reality.

I would never feel like I was really at home anywhere but right here on Earth. I mean, If I can't take my shirt off, kick back in a lounger, and enjoy the fresh air, Summer Breeze, and mild temperature, what are we living for? I gotta be in the great outdoors, and I can only imagine what a fart in a spacesuit would be like! :whoa:

https://en.as.com/latest_news/clima...worlds-first-self-sufficient-floating-city-n/
 
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Doc Dutch said:
Why? All were consenting adults. About 30,000 people die in car crashes every year and no one thinks we should ban them.
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This submersible was experimental and was not certified by anyone?!! When I heard that James Cameron has dived on the Titanic over 30 times, I wonder if he own any Triton submersibles and he does, has fleet of them and works with them too! I would not go on a submersible or aircraft that has not been certified as safe.
 
Catastrophic implosion means that there is no piece of the passengers and pilot larger than a piece of goldfish flake... Still a better way to die than slow suffocation or hypothermia.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
The moon is a bad place to live, with no atmosphere, people would be exposed to radiation and constant meteor attack!

Mars is also a stretch because of the distance.

Now a floating city out in the ocean may not be such a bad idea. These are already coming into reality.

https://en.as.com/latest_news/clima...worlds-first-self-sufficient-floating-city-n/
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Multi-million dollar Manhattan apartments where I'd like to live exist right now.
I just can't afford them.

I'll never understand adventurers who don't prioritize comfort and convenience.
I don't think I'd want to understand them.
People are clearly not all alike.
 
signalmankenneth said:
This submersible was experimental and was not certified by anyone?!! When I heard that James Cameron has dived on the Titanic over 30 times, I wonder if he own any Triton submersibles and he does, has fleet of them and works with them too! I would not go on a submersible or aircraft that has not been certified as safe.
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Your choice to make. Adults should have the freedom of informed choice.
 
Cypress said:
Right, it's about whether this is a viable business model.

It's international waters, the U.S. can't really regulate or enforce diving restrictions on the wreck.

If someone ever does want to make this a business model again, I suspect they will do what Oceangate didn't want to do: submit their technology for independent testing and inspection by industry-standard consulting and engineering entities.
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Or use proven tech. The Russian Mirs were reliable but probably pricey to operate and only carried 3 people. They were decommissioned in 2017 but tested to a depth of 20,000'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(submersible)
Mir (Russian: Мир, lit. 'world, peace') was a class of two self-propelled deep-submergence vehicles. The project was initially developed by the USSR Academy of Sciences (now the Russian Academy of Sciences) along with Lazurit Central Design Bureau, and two vehicles were ordered from Finland. The Mir-1 and Mir-2, delivered in 1987, were designed and built by the Finnish company Rauma-Repola's Oceanics subsidiary. The project was carried out under the supervision of constructors and engineers of the Shirshov Institute of Oceanology.
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signalmankenneth said:
This submersible was not even certified?!!

[FONT=var(--theme-font-family)][FONT=var(--theme-container__font-family)]All five passengers are believed to be dead after search crews discovered debris that helped identify remains of the Titan[/FONT]
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https://www.tiktok.com/video/7246928425431108910
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Nope it wasn't.

Not surprised this was the fate, this was the most likely scenario and the media ginned up days of coverage and ratings pretending otherwise
 
Damocles said:
Catastrophic implosion means that there is no piece of the passengers and pilot larger than a piece of goldfish flake... Still a better way to die than slow suffocation or hypothermia.
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Oh definitely. THe pressure alone would have squirted their body into nothingness like a tube of toothpaste being stomped on.
 
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