Biden Says He Has Authority to Challenge Debt Limit

[SmarterthanYou]

The stupid suck-up you do to the right and Trump is long noted.

you're delusional and full of shit

I am telling you what the Constitution says and what Biden does have the power to do.

you have never been correct about the Constitution.

Mccarthy knows what the consequences would be. The MTG types do not care, burning it all down would please them. McCarthy gave away much of his power to get the speakership he wanted so badly. MTG and the other crazies have the power to force a vote on him at any time. Each one of them can do it.
I read some Dems are offering to vote to keep him, speaker, if he does the right thing on the debt ceiling.

That's politics. it's also what I hate about politics. It's why I don't support the right or the left, much to your dismay, though it doesn't stop you from lying about it.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Those two things ARE NOT connected.


Setting a debt limit DOES NOTHING to limit future spending, you simpletons.

It does if limits are included in the debt ceiling bill. How hard is that to grasp? Just because the petulant children in the Democrat party want no strings attached doesn't mean no strings have to be attached.

Ask yourself why Trump never cared or limited himself to the debt ceiling in his 3 times blowing past it, and then ask yourself if they lower the limit now, how that prevent Trump blowing thru it again in 2024, should he win, and just demanding they raise it.

Answer that question specifically. How does lowering the debt limit now IN ANY WAY limit Trump spending 2, 3 or 10 times more than it is, in the next term, should he win???

Trump isn't part of the current debt limit bill discussions. What he did or didn't do is irrelevant--TOTALLY IRRELEVANT just as what say Bill Clinton did with debt limits--to the current situation on debt limits. You keep tossing out red herrings because you don't want to admit or discuss why the DEMOCRATS and Democrats alone, this time, are demanding no compromise on raising the debt limit. That's because you know somewhere deep down, they're the ones fucking the process up.

 

[Into the Night]

He does have the authority to file a lawsuit requiring Congress follow the constitution. It’s his justice department.

If Congress does not want to borrow more money, nothing Biden can do can legally override that. The Constitution does NOT require that Congress borrow any money at all. It only gives them the authority to do so if they wish.

 

[QP!]

It does if limits are included in the debt ceiling bill. How hard is that to grasp? ...

EXPLAIN IT THEN.

There was a debt ceiling limit in place all three times Trump blew through it. All Potus have had debt ceiling limits they have blown through.

So explain yourself and tell us why simply lowering the debt ceiling now would make Trump in 2024 comply with it instead of blowing thru it and just demanding they raise it?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

EXPLAIN IT THEN.

There was a debt ceiling limit in place all three times Trump blew through it. All Potus have had debt ceiling limits they have blown through.

So explain yourself and tell us why simply lowering the debt ceiling now would make Trump in 2024 comply with it instead of blowing thru it and just demanding they raise it?

I did. Maybe you can get a six-year-old to explain it to you because you clearly don't grasp the adult explanation...

 

[Into the Night]

To be the same, you would have to have the power to print your own money. It is not like that at all.

Printing money is a liability too.

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong, it’s done all the time. When Congress runs afoul of the law the justice department files a suit asking the court to force constitutionally of the law.

Congress has not run afoul of any law here.
NOTHING in the Constitution requires Congress to borrow money.

 

[Celticguy]

Zero times.

incorrect ! seven times
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...mes-courts-have-struck-against-administration

 

[BidenPresident]

incorrect ! seven times
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...mes-courts-have-struck-against-administration

Post it. A link is not an argument. And...I know you cannot understand that.

 

[volsrock]

You know who pays the Bills in most American Families?

Easy answer- WOMEN!

And women know best that when the bills come due- you have to pay them or things get cut off- No excuses- No exceptions.

So women know right now who is at fault in this debate.

This idea that the Republicans can refuse to raise the debt ceiling just to make Biden look bad- will backfire on the Republicans come election day.

Women are already pissed off at the Republicans for the way they ended Roe Vs. Wade, and this is only making them madder and madder!

Women are the largest voting bloc in America!

Can women raise their own debt limit without approval?

 

[Into the Night]

Zero times.

Blatant lie.

He claimed authority to shut down all oil well permitting. The courts told him otherwise.
He claimed authority to ban weapons. Courts have told him otherwise.
He claimed authority to order Congress to borrow money. The Constitution says otherwise.

 

[Into the Night]

Read the 14th.

Does not apply here. Straw man fallacy. Nothing in the 14th amendment discusses the authority of Congress or the President concerning borrowing money.

 

[Into the Night]

The closer the US gets to the debt ceiling, the more we expect these market-stress indicators to worsen, leading to increased volatility in equity and corporate bond markets and inhibiting firms' ability to finance themselves and engage in the productive investment that is essential for extending the current [economic] expansion,"
Additionally, millions of people would lose their jobs and a sharp economic contraction would lead to a massive recession, the CEA warned.


REALITY COMMENTS
Living on borrowed time, is exactly how to describe our economy...

I think it is time ALL Americans said enough is enough and got rid of our career politicians. Many years ago after FDR won a third term, Congress and the Senate voted to keep the office of President at a two term limit for fear that if a President was in office too long, they would become corrupt or power hungry and out of touch with the American people.
Sounds like Congress and the Senate today. Let's demand that a politician only be allowed to serve either two terms in Congress, two terms in the Senate, or one and one.

It's not a recession. Or depression. The dollar is collapsing. In the end, it doesn't matter how much of it Washington needs, it's how much of the world wants it -- and countries are dumping the greenback in droves. we can only spend what we make or we will go broke and not spending is like saving money. Try telling that to the American government. Good luck!

We are still in the economic depression that started in 2019 by Democrats. It's a bit better now, but it's still depression.

 

[Into the Night]

The question is why are the reds willing to wreck the economy to score cheap political points with people who apparently have no idea what they are doing? The Reds will crash the economy, because they can and then blame the Dems. Their followers will buy it 100 percent. The Repubs have a shrinking demographic and this may be a shot at growing it. It would hurt a lot of people., but that is just part of the recipe. Make a mess and point at Biden.

The economy was already wrecked...by Democrats.

 

[Jarod]

now, point out to us EXACTLY where it says that congress is bound, by law, to pay all debts in any manner possible, including being forced to raise the debt ceiling.............

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

 

[Into the Night]

There has been nothing like this. This is the lowest rung of the Repub party getting power over Mccarthy. He has to dance to MTGs songs of destruction. The Dems have NEVER voted down the debt ceiling The Repubs came close in the past and they may do it this time. This is no both guys do it.

There is no such thing as a 'debt ceiling'.

 

[Into the Night]

The stupid suck-up you do to the right and Trump is long noted. I am telling you what the Constitution says and what Biden does have the power to do. Mccarthy knows what the consequences would be. The MTG types do not care, burning it all down would please them. McCarthy gave away much of his power to get the speakership he wanted so badly. MTG and the other crazies have the power to force a vote on him at any time. Each one of them can do it.
I read some Dems are offering to vote to keep him, speaker, if he does the right thing on the debt ceiling.

Blatant lie. You deny and discard the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Celticguy]

Post it. A link is not an argument. And...I know you cannot understand that.

President Joe Biden suffered a setback in court this week when a federal judge in Georgia halted his vaccine mandate for federal contractors, delivering the latest legal blow to the Biden administration’s agenda.
Beyond its pandemic-related measures, the Biden administration has endured a number of admonishments from courts concerned about the White House’s use of executive authority.
Here are some of the legal losses handed to the White House so far.
PRIVATE BUSINESSES VACCINE MANDATE
Federal judges in November blocked Biden’s vaccine mandate for businesses with more than 100 employees over “grave statutory and constitutional issues."
Biden had hoped to use the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to enforce the rule, which was set to take effect on Jan. 4.
After the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals paused the mandate over the constitutional concerns and questions about whether a Labor Department office had the authority to impose such a sweeping public health policy, the Biden administration said it would suspend its implementation of the rule.
FEDERAL CONTRACTOR VACCINE MANDATE
Biden also attempted to require all federal contractors to force their employees to get vaccinated through an executive order he signed in early September.
Companies that didn’t comply by mid-January risked losing eligibility for federal contracts.
A federal judge for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Georgia temporarily blocked the federal contractor mandate on Tuesday on the grounds Biden likely exceeded his authority.
Biden attempted to use the Procurement Act, legislation that gives the federal government authority over administrative items related to contracting to enforce the vaccine mandate.
But the judge ruled that Biden likely overstepped what the Procurement Act allows him to do, including placing an “extreme economic burden” on companies that wish to bid on contracts with the federal government.
HEALTHCARE WORKER VACCINE MANDATE
Two federal courts blocked enforcement nationwide of Biden’s healthcare worker mandate through the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services — the third federal vaccine mandate to crumble under legal scrutiny.
Separate judges found CMS did not follow rules for providing the public with an opportunity to comment on pending rules before issuing the mandate. The judges also said Biden administration officials exceeded the authority of CMS by issuing such strict requirements.
REMAIN IN MEXICO
Biden used his first day in office to end a number of immigration policies enacted during the Trump administration, fulfilling a campaign promise to dismantle his predecessor’s border security agenda.
One of those policies was the Migrant Protection Protocols, known as “Remain in Mexico,” which forced asylum-seekers to await the adjudication of their claims on the Mexican side of the southern borders.
A federal judge in Texas ruled in August that the Biden administration did not have the power to undo the policy, and the Supreme Court allowed that decision to stand less than two weeks later.
In its order , the Supreme Court cited a previous case in which the Trump administration’s effort to end the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program was denied. The Supreme Court suggested Biden similarly could not discard the previous administration’s signature immigration policy without a sufficiently compelling reason.
The Biden administration has since begun to reinstate Remain in Mexico.
EVICTION MORATORIUM
Beginning last year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued an order banning landlords from evicting tenants who met certain criteria, such as income levels.
The Biden administration attempted to extend the eviction moratorium this summer, using the same basis of a public health emergency to renew the CDC rule even as vaccines dramatically lowered the most significant risks of coronavirus for most people.
The Supreme Court in August blocked the Biden administration from extending the eviction moratorium any further, deciding with a 6-3 majority that the CDC did not have the power to implement such a far-reaching policy.
CRUISE SHIP RULES
As cruise companies prepared to set sail again after the height of the pandemic, the Biden administration attempted to impose a series of heavy-handed rules on what cruise ships had to do in order to reopen to the public.
Those included strict testing requirements for crew members and a requirement to conduct “trial” voyages before actually reopening.
Following a legal challenge from Florida, where dozens of cruise ships dock, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in July that the CDC had likely exceeded its authority to impose such restrictions on private cruise businesses, siding with Florida’s arguments that the regulations placed a severe economic burden on the industry.
OIL DRILLING RIGHTS
During the first week of his presidency, Biden moved to suspend oil and gas leases on federal lands to limit drilling, which environmentalists have long demanded.
In June, a federal court told the Biden administration it could not pause the leases. The U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana ruled that Congress has the authority to make such consequential decisions about what activity is permitted on federal lands, not the executive branch.
CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER
The Biden administration was slow to allow access to the leases after the order, however. By August, the court threatened to hold Biden’s Department of Interior in contempt of court for ignoring the order that the oil and gas leases resume.
The Biden administration has appealed the ruling.

 

[Into the Night]

Post it. A link is not an argument. And...I know you cannot understand that.

He posted the link. Go read it. It answers your question.

 

[BidenPresident]

President Joe Biden suffered a setback in court this week when a federal judge in Georgia halted his vaccine mandate for federal contractors, delivering the latest legal blow to the Biden administration’s agenda.
Beyond its pandemic-related measures, the Biden administration has endured a number of admonishments from courts concerned about the White House’s use of executive authority.
Here are some of the legal losses handed to the White House so far.
PRIVATE BUSINESSES VACCINE MANDATE
Federal judges in November blocked Biden’s vaccine mandate for businesses with more than 100 employees over “grave statutory and constitutional issues."
Biden had hoped to use the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to enforce the rule, which was set to take effect on Jan. 4.
After the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals paused the mandate over the constitutional concerns and questions about whether a Labor Department office had the authority to impose such a sweeping public health policy, the Biden administration said it would suspend its implementation of the rule.
FEDERAL CONTRACTOR VACCINE MANDATE
Biden also attempted to require all federal contractors to force their employees to get vaccinated through an executive order he signed in early September.
Companies that didn’t comply by mid-January risked losing eligibility for federal contracts.
A federal judge for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Georgia temporarily blocked the federal contractor mandate on Tuesday on the grounds Biden likely exceeded his authority.
Biden attempted to use the Procurement Act, legislation that gives the federal government authority over administrative items related to contracting to enforce the vaccine mandate.
But the judge ruled that Biden likely overstepped what the Procurement Act allows him to do, including placing an “extreme economic burden” on companies that wish to bid on contracts with the federal government.
HEALTHCARE WORKER VACCINE MANDATE
Two federal courts blocked enforcement nationwide of Biden’s healthcare worker mandate through the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services — the third federal vaccine mandate to crumble under legal scrutiny.
Separate judges found CMS did not follow rules for providing the public with an opportunity to comment on pending rules before issuing the mandate. The judges also said Biden administration officials exceeded the authority of CMS by issuing such strict requirements.
REMAIN IN MEXICO
Biden used his first day in office to end a number of immigration policies enacted during the Trump administration, fulfilling a campaign promise to dismantle his predecessor’s border security agenda.
One of those policies was the Migrant Protection Protocols, known as “Remain in Mexico,” which forced asylum-seekers to await the adjudication of their claims on the Mexican side of the southern borders.
A federal judge in Texas ruled in August that the Biden administration did not have the power to undo the policy, and the Supreme Court allowed that decision to stand less than two weeks later.
In its order , the Supreme Court cited a previous case in which the Trump administration’s effort to end the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program was denied. The Supreme Court suggested Biden similarly could not discard the previous administration’s signature immigration policy without a sufficiently compelling reason.
The Biden administration has since begun to reinstate Remain in Mexico.
EVICTION MORATORIUM
Beginning last year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued an order banning landlords from evicting tenants who met certain criteria, such as income levels.
The Biden administration attempted to extend the eviction moratorium this summer, using the same basis of a public health emergency to renew the CDC rule even as vaccines dramatically lowered the most significant risks of coronavirus for most people.
The Supreme Court in August blocked the Biden administration from extending the eviction moratorium any further, deciding with a 6-3 majority that the CDC did not have the power to implement such a far-reaching policy.
CRUISE SHIP RULES
As cruise companies prepared to set sail again after the height of the pandemic, the Biden administration attempted to impose a series of heavy-handed rules on what cruise ships had to do in order to reopen to the public.
Those included strict testing requirements for crew members and a requirement to conduct “trial” voyages before actually reopening.
Following a legal challenge from Florida, where dozens of cruise ships dock, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in July that the CDC had likely exceeded its authority to impose such restrictions on private cruise businesses, siding with Florida’s arguments that the regulations placed a severe economic burden on the industry.
OIL DRILLING RIGHTS
During the first week of his presidency, Biden moved to suspend oil and gas leases on federal lands to limit drilling, which environmentalists have long demanded.
In June, a federal court told the Biden administration it could not pause the leases. The U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana ruled that Congress has the authority to make such consequential decisions about what activity is permitted on federal lands, not the executive branch.
CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER
The Biden administration was slow to allow access to the leases after the order, however. By August, the court threatened to hold Biden’s Department of Interior in contempt of court for ignoring the order that the oil and gas leases resume.
The Biden administration has appealed the ruling.

None of that is relevant to the topic of the 14th Amendment.