We can't afford NOT TO do single payer health care

Grokmaster said:
Especially if Pres.Moron keeps allowing millions of disease-hazard illegals into our nation, with the taxpayers stuck with the bill for their care.
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All the people dying from COVID are fat, ugly, stupid white Nazis like you.

The diseased ones are those running around eating horse paste and drinking bleach.
 
Frank Apisa said:
You wouldn't recognize "the truth" if you accidentally bumped into it with your nose, Asshole.

By the way, I am not collecting welfare and never have...and I am not a Democrat. Stop putting so much effort into trying to prove you are an asshole. We already know that you are.
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Yawn. Frank, you can try and lie like the rest on the left here. You collect some sort of public assistance. And have. You and your type are completely incapable of making it on your own in this country. Handouts are your birthright.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
Yawn. Frank, you can try and lie like the rest on the left here. You collect some sort of public assistance. And have. You and your type are completely incapable of making it on your own in this country. Handouts are your birthright.
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I have fended for myself since age 17...when I enlisted in the USAF. I have never been on welfare...although I acknowledge that I did collect some unemployment for six weeks back in the 1970's or 80's. You are an asshole attempting to troll me...and doing a piss poor job of it. All I am doing is laughing at your poor attempts.

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Don't be discouraged. Do keep coming back.

I enjoy the laughs more than you can imagine.
 
LV426 said:
Right now according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, it costs about $22K a year to provide a worker with health insurance.

Of that $22K cost, the worker pays about $6K and the employer pays about $16K.

For a business of 50 employees, that is $800,000 a year that the company is spending on health care. Most businesses of 50 employees or less make an average income of just $53,000 a year. $800,000 spent on health care, $53,000 in profit.

Under Bernie Sanders' M4A proposal, that business of 50 employees would pay exactly $0 in taxes to provide health care for their workers, saving $800,000 a year that can be put toward employee salaries, renovations, or new hires. Bernie's plan sets a 7.5% tax on business income in excess of $100,000. Most small businesses don't even come close to making that amount of profit, and those that do are hedge funds (they get taxed separately under Bernie's proposal).

But what about the employee? Won't they have to pay too? Yes, of course. They pay 4% on income above $29,000. The average HH income in the country is about $70K, so the average amount paid by workers in taxes for single payer would be just $1,600. Remember, workers pay $6,000 for health care right now. For a worker to pay the same amount, they would have to make at least $150,000/yr. Only 10% of US workers make more than $150,000 a year.
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When you say single payer do you mean the government being involved? Because that's not single payer.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I have fended for myself since age 17...when I enlisted in the USAF. I have never been on welfare...although I acknowledge that I did collect some unemployment for six weeks back in the 1970's or 80's. You are an asshole attempting to troll me...and doing a piss poor job of it. All I am doing is laughing at your poor attempts.

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Don't be discouraged. Do keep coming back.

I enjoy the laughs more than you can imagine.
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Frank. Every time you post you just scream " I am on welfare". Nice try at dodging it though. You white, woke, welfare collecting democrat.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
Frank. Every time you post you just scream " I am on welfare". Nice try at dodging it though. You white, woke, welfare collecting democrat.
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You are a fucking moron and a phony.

I am not, and never have been, on welfare.

There is no way you could know otherwise except to speculate...and I can tell you that you are lousy at speculation.

I have no idea of why you get your jollies from supposing I am on welfare, but since you apparently cannot do it the way most normal people do, go for it. It costs me nothing...and you get to have what you cannot have via normal methods.

And I get to laugh at you.

It is a win/win situation. Looking forward to more of your nonsense.

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LV426 said:
Right now according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, it costs about $22K a year to provide a worker with health insurance.

Of that $22K cost, the worker pays about $6K and the employer pays about $16K.

For a business of 50 employees, that is $800,000 a year that the company is spending on health care. Most businesses of 50 employees or less make an average income of just $53,000 a year. $800,000 spent on health care, $53,000 in profit.

Under Bernie Sanders' M4A proposal, that business of 50 employees would pay exactly $0 in taxes to provide health care for their workers, saving $800,000 a year that can be put toward employee salaries, renovations, or new hires. Bernie's plan sets a 7.5% tax on business income in excess of $100,000. Most small businesses don't even come close to making that amount of profit, and those that do are hedge funds (they get taxed separately under Bernie's proposal).

But what about the employee? Won't they have to pay too? Yes, of course. They pay 4% on income above $29,000. The average HH income in the country is about $70K, so the average amount paid by workers in taxes for single payer would be just $1,600. Remember, workers pay $6,000 for health care right now. For a worker to pay the same amount, they would have to make at least $150,000/yr. Only 10% of US workers make more than $150,000 a year.
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I would say it's all about greed from the Healthcare Industry?!!

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Obama himself said Obamacare was only the first step, there was too much resistance to take any bigger of a step.

We only just got past the second Republican who promised to end it on day 1.

This next election will be the first one where ending it won’t be a top election promise from the R’s.
 
Guille said:
When you say single payer do you mean the government being involved? Because that's not single payer.
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If it's one entity paying then it is quite literally SINGLE PAYER.

Doesn't matter who is administering it, it's still just one single payer for all medical claims.

It doesn't sound to me like you know what words mean.
 
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We are still waiting for the "better" insurance plans that Trump promised us.
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no......you're still waiting for the "better" insurance Obama promised you.......
 
Frank Apisa said:
You are a fucking moron and a phony.

I am not, and never have been, on welfare.

There is no way you could know otherwise except to speculate...and I can tell you that you are lousy at speculation.

I have no idea of why you get your jollies from supposing I am on welfare, but since you apparently cannot do it the way most normal people do, go for it. It costs me nothing...and you get to have what you cannot have via normal methods.

And I get to laugh at you.

It is a win/win situation. Looking forward to more of your nonsense.
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Me thinks you protest to much. Welfare boy. Go take a nap old man.
 
Some people are deep thinkers who ponder all the complications of problems. Rightys and Trumpys, think with their hair. They react. In fact, single-payer is far better and far cheaper. It costs about half what our system costs. It covers everybody.
People who want to start a business do not have to factor in going without expensive healthcare until they are on their feet. They do not have to add the cost of healthcare to their business expenses
Over 60 percent of bankruptcies have a huge healthcare cost problem driving them.
When we compete with other countries, businesses do not have the cost of healthcare in their estimates. Our large businesses have departments handling health care. How's that for competition?
We have a huge healthcare industry that has no product. They stand between you and your healthcare fighting your access to increase profits. How stupid is that?
Our system is indefensible. When Taiwan was pondering universal healthcare, they visited the US to discover what not to do.
When Americans spend time abroad, one of the things they do not miss is our crappy healthcare system.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
Me thinks you protest to much. Welfare boy. Go take a nap old man.
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Allow me to repeat: You are a fucking moron. Methinks is the word you were looking for. Only a fucking moron uses that archaic construct as "Me thinks."

Your problem seems to be that you do not think. I suspect that is probably because you can't think.
 
LV426 said:
If it's one entity paying then it is quite literally SINGLE PAYER.

Doesn't matter who is administering it, it's still just one single payer for all medical claims.

It doesn't sound to me like you know what words mean.
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I know words better than you do. I also understand context. You're saying that the government should pay the bills which leaves the individual receiving said "health care" out of the loop because that single American has nothing to so with the funding of their "single payer" healthcare.

How fucking evil are you?
 
Frank Apisa said:
Allow me to repeat: You are a fucking moron. Methinks is the word you were looking for. Only a fucking moron uses that archaic construct as "Me thinks."

Your problem seems to be that you do not think. I suspect that is probably because you can't think.
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All me to repeat Frank. You are a white, broke, welfare collecting democrat. Kill yourself. Now would be good.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
this is a very good example of why Democrats shouldn't be in charge of sewage plants......they don't know shit about how markets work. All they can do is centralize power, enable corruption, enrich their buddies, and rob the commoners.
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What plan do you support, and why?
 
Concart said:
What plan do you support, and why?
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you seem to believe that you're some expert in economics, so what happens when one very large company puts limitations on how their suppliers can do business? for example, walmart/sams club sells bulk items for cheaper because they promise to buy a majority of the suppliers product, so long as the supplier doesn't give competing buyers the same price reduction?

the same happens with the health insurance industry. major insurance companies provide lower costs to select providers, so long as those providers don't accept patients with competing industry players............

congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce and could put an end to that predatory scheme that adversely affects patients, why won't they?
 
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