In blow to freedom, Democrats in Michigan repeal Right-to-work

anonymoose said:
I took a lot of CE on managing employees plus hired a consultant early in my career. They used a lot of principles that are used in the corporate world. In well run businesses that hire and treat good employees right there is no need for unions.
I was taught the value of incentivizing and rewarding good employees. The cost of good ones quitting is enormous. It's just plain stupid to treat a good employee bad. Plus have a well written employee manual so new hires know exactly what is expected of them.
Any time one of my staff would complain unreasonably I'd refer them to the employee manual and let them know in no uncertain terms that if they couldn't do the job I hired them for , I'd find someone who could. After about my first year in business not one quit me.
Case in point, there's a dentist in town that's notorious for treating his staff like shit. Constant turnover. He has such a bad reputation he has to advertise for staff in Seattle! - and pay for them just to fly up for an interview plus pay them a bonus just to start. They typically stay just long enough to not lose their bonus.
I never had a problem poaching employees from assholes like that. And that was long before there were the labor laws we have now making unions less relevant.
Again, ancient history since the advent of labor laws. Now it's the unions that more resemble the mafia. Just look at Nifty's recent posts. Typical union thug.
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nevertheless, we cannot forget that the middle class was created by unionization after a "gilded age".

there is a time and place for unions.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
My questions back:

What's the union going to do to help me get promoted and advance within the company, including into non-union management positions?
Will the union refrain from spending my dues ENTIRELY on politics and politicians, particularly ones I despise?
Is the union going to limit my ability to work outside of my union job?
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Well, I happen not to give a fat fuck about any of those things in your follow-up questions,
and I think your responses to my answers were completely ridiculous,
so there's our answer.

We're destined to be on opposite sides of everything as a result of having completely un-overlapping values.

"three years severance pay upon separation [on top of pension--that was a big one]"
Is this like if the company fires you or something?
No, that's on top of your pension when you retire if your worked enough years. otherwise, it's prorated no matter how you leave. Union negotiated.

And a 401K is a sorry alternative to a completely company funded pension, don't you think? I do.

See, here's the thing.
If an essential industry cannot operate profitably while giving their employees all the things I mentioned plus other that I forget to mention (paid vacations, etc),
then that industry doesn't belong in the private sector. It needs to be nationalized so its employees are not exploited.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
See, here's the thing.
If an essential industry cannot operate profitably while giving their employees all the things I mentioned plus other that I forget to mention (paid vacations, etc),
then that industry doesn't belong in the private sector. It needs to be nationalized so its employees are not exploited.
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Much easier to just ship labor overseas...no?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Not in the long run.

How are all of the unemployed people going to buy any of the shit that you made overseas?

Shortsightedness is the fatal flaw of corporate oligarchs.
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Those questions have been answered after decades of union busting via offshoring.
 
Althea said:
Those questions have been answered after decades of union busting via offshoring.
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Not with satisfactory answers.

This country is a fucking mess as a result of short sightedness,

even to the point of people like myself wondering if the republic
in its current configuaration
is even sustainable.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
As a union rep, I always felt that there needed to be a special place in hell for workers who identified with republicans, the exploiters of the working class.
"Right to Work" Republicans...truly the most disgusting specimens that humanity can muster.
My hatred for them is profound and viscerally felt. You may have noticed.

That's what made me a good and effective union rep, however. Solidarity with the working class. Certainly with the ones who displayed it themselves.
Amusing how people on this forum have called me a privileged elitist considering the efforts I've expended on behalf of abused working people.
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if you really cared you would also reject globalist fanaticism.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Not with satisfactory answers.

This country is a fucking mess as a result of short sightedness,

even to the point of people like myself wondering if the republic
in its current configuaration
is even sustainable.
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Much as I hate to give him credit for anything, Ross Perot predicted this exact moment in time when he spoke of jobs being sucked out of America and going to China.
 
Althea said:
Much easier to just ship labor overseas...no?
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Simple, they want to go overseas fine , tell them where the door is and also tell them that they will not leave with the American market , these traitors do that, and they lose our market , where they became rich in the first place. Do they actually think they can still use our infrastructure and bring their profits someplace else. > Guess what these pigs will go nowhere, , Screw them
 
When Welsh was running GE, he said he wished he could put all his plants on barges and move them where he could get the best deal. That is how much corporations and the wealthy care about America and American workers.
 
Nordberg said:
When Welsh was running GE, he said he wished he could put all his plants on barges and move them where he could get the best deal. That is how much corporations and the wealthy care about America and American workers.
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The unions push for contracts that make plants non competitive with foreign manufacturers. That is one of the reasons many manufacturers eventually move overseas. Unions have failed to realize they are competing with a world wide labor market. The way to bring manufacturing back is to eliminate corporate taxes on products made in the US and to tax things not made in the US. If we didn't tax things made in the US it would encourage manufacturers around the world to build plants and employ Americans who would pay income taxes. It would make the American worker more competitive with the foreign worker. Right now if we tax GM n they just pass along the cost to the people who buy their cars. So you and I are paying their corporate taxes.
 
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anonymoose said:
They fire them by quitting.
Military is the only organization I know of where you can’t do that.
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Best to Have No Outside Equity, As at Mondragon


The rebels in The Caine Mutiny were acquitted. In the era when our ruling class's Constitution was written, the rebels on the H.M.S. Bounty would have been hanged, no matter how good a case they had.
 
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Stringfellow Hawk said:
unions are for ignorant lazy people that #StupidSpeak couldn't keep a job otherwise
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The Dumbed-Down Are Incapable of Seeing the Other Side of the Equation

Breaking a union is for laissez-fairies who want to loaf and rake in easy money.

The fact that you use "people that" instead of "people who" indicates that you see others as inanimate objects.
 
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