New peak rates mean charging electric cars more expensive than petrol

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How long would it take a solar panel to charge a Tesla?

How Long Would It Take for Solar Panels To Charge a Tesla? Charging Tesla with solar panels would take anything from 8 hours up to 10 days


https://8billiontrees.com/carbon-offsets-credits/cars/tesla/charging-tesla-with-solar-panels/




I will take the 3 min recharge time

It will take days. A home solar panel array doesn't produce enough power, and it only produces power during the day.

 

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Mine works fine. You see, there are people like me who know what the ACTUAL experience is like. Then there's YOU who knows nothing about what it is like to own and rely on one.

I'm not saying they are perfect, god no! But they are good and they WILL get better.

That's kind of what America is all about: moving the ball down the field. We invent things and we make things better. That's always been what we do.

Why are you fighting progress SO HARD?



You mean the way the first ICE car could do 0-60 in a matter of seconds, got 25 miles to the gallon, could reach top speeds of 110mph? Oh, wait, no, they were nothing like that. They were nicely appointed lawn mowers without the blades.



See? You see technical progress as "fascism".

Have you ever actually "invented" anything? Any patents?

Mandating what type of car to buy is fascism. Don't lie.
EVs are not progress. They are older than ICE cars.
Fascism is not progress.

Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.
Toyota, the largest manufacturer of cars, has already announced they are getting out of the EV business.

 

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Actually, you don't know history. ICE vehicles were adopted willingly because they were way better than horses. Cheaper to maintain, could do more, and worked. People flocked to ICE vehicles and the horse was relegated to recreational use.



Another lie you believe. Energy companies don't make tons of money off government subsidies. That's a bullshit lie propagated by the Greentard Left without basis.

There are three exceptions: wind generators and solar panels. They make almost all their money on government subsidies. Hydroelectric power is built by governments. It is part of government building dams to control river flows and provide irrigation water.

 

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Where on earth do you get this stuff? I charge my Chevy Bolt overnight from very very low to full charge.

...on your solar panel!

 

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I wonder why the world's economists say it is true and give actual numbers for it. Perhaps they haven't taken the time to confer with YOU.

You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.
Argument from randU fallacy.

 

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So far so good. It's been a while since I bought American. The last GM I had was a Saturn. It did pretty well. So far the Bolt is good.



An idiot who has driven for 3 straight years without paying for fuel for his vehicle.

TANSTAAFL. You pay fuel for your vehicle. Indeed, you use almost twice as much energy as a gasoline car.
...and you charge it at night on your solar panel!

You're an idiot.

 

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Maybe, maybe not. I have a coworker who took their Tesla on a cross-country road trip.

Like I said earlier: EV's are not yet perfect. But they are good for what I do most of the time. The last time I took anything even REMOTELY like a 2000 mile roadtrip was about 18 years ago when I moved from Georgia to California. So 2000 mile roadtrips are not something I normally worry about.

So you barely drive your car.

I regularly take such trips. Taking one next month, in fact.

 

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Are you paying for your use of the highways and bridges or are you just sucking off your neighbors?

Oh...he's sucking off his neighbors.

 

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That is part of the higher rate I pay for registration of my vehicle as I understand it.

So, the answer is "yes, I pay my part". (Believe it or not that was actually something I was feeling guilty about until I realized I'm paying more for my registration and that is to recoup lost gas taxes).

No, you don't pay your part. You accept government subsidies when you bought the car.

 

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Maybe it depends on what country the article is from?

The UK.

 

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So far so good. It's been a while since I bought American. The last GM I had was a Saturn. It did pretty well. So far the Bolt is good.



An idiot who has driven for 3 straight years without paying for fuel for his vehicle.

Glad u support child labor

U.S. Acknowledges Child Labor in Electric Vehicle Supply Chain
For the first time, the U.S. has included cobalt on a list of products made by forced or child labor.

https://gizmodo.com/child-labor-cobalt-polysilicon-electric-vehicles-1849620367


Child labour, toxic leaks: the price we could pay for a greener future

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...s-the-price-we-could-pay-for-a-greener-future


Electric vehicles have a dark side too: Blood batteries and child labour

The Democratic Republic of the Congo, a country that is among the poorest on the planet, is paying a heavy price for the global green energy revolution


https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog...de-too-blood-batteries-and-child-labour-82567


But Hey,,,u dont have to buy that evil gas...LOL

 

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You are incorrect. You don't know the numbers.

No, that would be YOU. Inversion fallacy.

 

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Just like your gas mileage!

Range of an ICE vehicle doesn't slowly decrease like it does with an EV battery.
You are ignoring Newton's law of motion again.

I don't expect an EV to have the same range as a truck. Nor did I claim it did. I can only tell you what my experience is with my actual EV.

Paradox. Denial of self argument.

Good catch!

Sunk cost.

Buzzword fallacy.

 

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There is no nuke plant in the nation that wasn't subsidized when built. In fact, those in the planning stages are not going to get built without govt. investment. Same for those that are losing money right now.


Same for every type of energy in the R&D stage, as you admitted.

Blatant lie.

 

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Sunk costs. Paid for years ago and it powers my entire house's electricity. So any cost related from the PV system would be fractions of a penny at this point.

So you live in the dark. Gotit.

Because I don't like, respect or know you. You do NOT have a right to anything of my personal information that I wish you not to know.

He is not asking for personal information.

Sorry if you are such a totalitarian that you missed that bit.

Inversion fallacy.

And as I said, in the 7 years I"ve owned these I have paid for NONE of those things. Some with the 9 years prior system.

So they are all completely paid for through subsidies from government. Gotit.

 

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Geez, I wouldn't tell any of these MAGA moron Election Deniers where I live.

It is DEMOCRATS that denied the election. They caused the 2020 election to fault through election fraud. They did it AGAIN in 2022 in Arizona and other States. MAGA isn't a person. No one is asking where Perry lives.

If they're crazy enough to follow Trump, they're crazy enough to do just about anything. I pay to live in an exclusive, gated community to keep that riff-raff away from me.

So you just told everyone where you live.

Paradox.

 

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And there aren't any parts of your ICE vehicle's engine that sometimes need replacing or repair? Wow! I completely missed that for the nearly 40 years I drove an ICE vehicle! Wow.

And there aren't any parts of your EV vehicle that sometimes need replacing or repair? You're an idiot.

 

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I don't pay anything for fuel. Sorry if that bothers you.

Yes you do.

 

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Wow. I'm so impressed you have a 24 year old car that has never had any part of its engine replaced not once!

I think I'm starting to rethink my view of "miracles"

You will have to REPLACE your batteries in 24 years! That's EXPENSIVE! It will get even MORE expensive as supplies of lithium run low. The price of lithium ore is already going up.

 

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I have a 22 year-old Nissan Frontier 4 cylinder that has about 250,000 miles on it. The only engine part I've had to replace was the water pump at about 120,000 miles. That cost me like $40 for a new one. It took about two hours of my time to change it (11 bolts, but some are a bit hard to reach). I changed the belts on the engine at the same time (3 of them). I've changed the clutch and pressure plate on it twice now. That takes about a day to do as you have to drop the transmission. It has a one of the last engines still using a chain instead of a belt so that's a forever part too.

My mechanic says that truck will run "forever." It's easy to work on. There's no serious complexity to it. My kid is driving it right now.

I do my own work on my own cars. Can't do that with an EV.