"Intelligent design" creationism basically finished

BidenPresident said:
If God or some other deity designed the universe, we should then ask how. Who is the designer, what are its properties.
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if God designed then he is the designer. h8e will guide science to learn its properties as they become able to understand them. takes a while.
the real trick as it regards life, comes down to that very first step than transformed minerals and other inanimate stuff into life. evolution just took that first spark and grew it into elephants, potatoes and everything else.
 
Celticguy said:
if God designed then he is the designer. h8e will guide science to learn its properties as they become able to understand them. takes a while.
the real trick as it regards life, comes down to that very first step than transformed minerals and other inanimate stuff into life. evolution just took that first spark and grew it into elephants, potatoes and everything else.
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Why did God design it this way? And who designed God?
 
No one should care. If people want to believe that, it's cool w/ me. If people don't, same.

No way it should be taught in schools, of course.
 
BidenPresident said:
The Wedge Document, the manifesto written by the Discovery Institute (DI) to outline the future proliferation of Intelligent Design (ID), was composed in 1998. It was leaked a long time ago, and you can see it here. If you read it, you’ll find that they’ve missed their temporal “goals” by a long shot.

In fact, Intelligent design has been discredited, and in the 2005 Kitzmiller decision in Pennsylvania, Judge Jones declared ID “not science” so that teaching it in public schools was prohibited as an incursion of religion into government. ID pretty much died after that, and there have been no further judicial decisions, so banning ID from public schools is the law. (Fingers crossed that the new, religiously conservative Supreme Court doesn’t change that.) ID sure as hell isn’t “the dominant perspective in science.”

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/01/08/intelligent-design-nearly-down-the-drain/
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Well, Albert Einstein believed in ID, and he pretty much trumps your judge jones. And I personally want to say, I believe in science. I believe in evolution and physics and biology and all that stuff. And I have FAITH that those things are in God's toolbox, and he uses them to create and expand the universe and the life in it.

Imagine you are a teacher, and you've spent an entire school year teaching pure science, and some little smart ass comes up to you on the last day of school and asks you where all those magnificent scientific PROCESSES come from. Do you know where to find that kind of information?
 
Callinectes said:
Imagine you are a teacher, and you've spent an entire school year teaching pure science, and some little smart ass comes up to you on the last day of school and asks you where all those magnificent scientific PROCESSES come from. Do you know where to find that kind of information?
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Quite simple. Ask that smart ass if he/she knows. :)
 
PostmodernProphet said:
your baby step was in 1953......no one has taken a second baby step since.......stop pretending abiogenesis is science......
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^^ Oh, check out this backtracking and goal post moving.

Now you admit chemical abiogenesis is testable, there just haven't been enough tests to satisfy you.

Well, here was a test done last year in pursuit of the RNA world hypothesis for abiogenesis.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-amp-the-origin-of-life&p=5101613#post5101613

Cypress said:
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How life could have arisen on an ‘RNA world’

New evidence suggests RNA and peptides may have helped build each other on early Earth

11 MAY 2022 - Current Event, News Release on Cutting Edge Scientific Research

It’s the ultimate chicken-and-egg conundrum. Life doesn’t work without tiny molecular machines called ribosomes, whose job is to translate genes into proteins. But ribosomes themselves are made of proteins. So how did the first life arise?

Researchers may have taken the first step toward solving this mystery. They’ve shown that RNA molecules can grow short proteins called peptides all by themselves—no ribosome required. What’s more, this chemistry works under conditions likely present on early Earth.

“It’s an important advance,” says Claudia Bonfio, an origin of life chemist at the University of Strasbourg who was not involved in the work. The study, she says, provides scientists a new way of thinking about how peptides were built.

Researchers who study the origin of life have long considered RNA the central player because it can both carry genetic information and catalyze necessary chemical reactions. It was likely present on our planet before life evolved. But to give rise to modern life, RNA would have had to somehow “learn” to make proteins, and eventually ribosomes. “At the moment, the ribosome simply falls from the heavens,” says Thomas Carell, a chemist at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich.


https://www.science.org/content/art...e chicken-and,themselves are made of proteins.
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Callinectes said:
Imagine you are a teacher, and you've spent an entire school year teaching pure science, and some little smart ass comes up to you on the last day of school and asks you where all those magnificent scientific PROCESSES come from. Do you know where to find that kind of information?
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Not sure the question. Science has a method for producing knowledge.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
for me, metamorphosis ends the discussion of random genetic mutations......
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You're just frantically googling for tidbits of information on metamorphosis and the Miller Urey experiment, after reading my posts.

Metamorphosis only occurs in insects and amphibians.

Genetic drift occurs in all species.

Look man, I don't think you have ever set foot in a university level science class, and you've never done the hard work of acquiring a working knowledge of science for yourself. Frantically googling for tidbits of information does not count as knowledge. I haven't had to Google a single time in this thread. Except for how to spell Urey.

It's really no fun for me to cross wits with a scientific illiterate who has to frantically google for little factoids of science and then dash back here to post it.
 
Celticguy said:
n2o1b1ody des-igned God-

nobody designed God

why this way ? thats the way he wanted it, perhaps an extension of free will ?

ma6ybe one ay we will understand enough to comprehend a why.
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That is on you. I would not assert that a being I cannot comprehend did something. How would we know?
 
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