"Intelligent design" creationism basically finished

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The Wedge Document, the manifesto written by the Discovery Institute (DI) to outline the future proliferation of Intelligent Design (ID), was composed in 1998. It was leaked a long time ago, and you can see it here. If you read it, you’ll find that they’ve missed their temporal “goals” by a long shot.

In fact, Intelligent design has been discredited, and in the 2005 Kitzmiller decision in Pennsylvania, Judge Jones declared ID “not science” so that teaching it in public schools was prohibited as an incursion of religion into government. ID pretty much died after that, and there have been no further judicial decisions, so banning ID from public schools is the law. (Fingers crossed that the new, religiously conservative Supreme Court doesn’t change that.) ID sure as hell isn’t “the dominant perspective in science.”

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/01/08/intelligent-design-nearly-down-the-drain/
 
ID as a scientific theory is laughable and correctly slapped down by the courts.

ID as a ontological belief system seems perfectly reasonable to me. Absent any tangible data, the idea that the cosmos results from a higher organizing principle beyond human cognition is just as likely as the idea that an ordered, mathmatically structured, and finely-tuned universe just popped into existence for no conceiveable reason.
 
Cypress said:
ID as a scientific theory is laughable and correctly slapped down by the courts.

ID as a ontological belief system seems perfectly reasonable to me. Absent any tangible data, the idea that the cosmos results from a higher organizing principle beyond human cognition is just as likely as the idea that an ordered, mathmatically structured, and finely-tuned universe just popped into existence for no conceiveable reason.
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Yes, theists believe in God.
 
Cypress said:
ID as a scientific theory is laughable and correctly slapped down by the courts.

ID as a ontological belief system seems perfectly reasonable to me. Absent any tangible data, the idea that the cosmos results from a higher organizing principle beyond human cognition is just as likely as the idea that an ordered, mathmatically structured, and finely-tuned universe just popped into existence for no conceiveable reason.
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A scientific theory must be falsifiable. Since ID is not, it is not science. Period. End of story. There is not one single article supporting ID that has ever been published in a scientific journal. Why? Because it's posit is supernatural. NOT SCIENCE.

Those who attempted to force this down the throats of public school students were slapped down. Sadly, I'm sure there are people here who would still claim it was scientific. Irreducible complexity theory was carved up like a Thabksgiving turkey. Thank god it was laughed out of existence.
 
Concart said:
A scientific theory must be falsifiable. Since ID is not, it is not science. Period. End of story. There is not one single article supporting ID that has ever been published in a scientific journal. Why? Because it's posit is supernatural. NOT SCIENCE.

Those who attempted to force this down the throats of public school students were slapped down. Sadly, I'm sure there are people here who would still claim it was scientific. Irreducible complexity theory was carved up like a Thabksgiving turkey. Thank god it was laughed out of existence.
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Theists do not like the idea that the universe is more complicated than their own understanding of God.
 
Concart said:
A scientific theory must be falsifiable. Since ID is not, it is not science. Period. End of story. There is not one single article supporting ID that has ever been published in a scientific journal. Why? Because it's posit is supernatural. NOT SCIENCE.

Those who attempted to force this down the throats of public school students were slapped down. Sadly, I'm sure there are people here who would still claim it was scientific. Irreducible complexity theory was carved up like a Thabksgiving turkey. Thank god it was laughed out of existence.
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Yes indeed, that's what I wrote -->

Cypress said:
ID as a scientific theory is laughable and correctly slapped down by the courts.
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One out of every 33 babies born in America has some kind of lifetime Debilitating Birth Defect, and I suppose this is also considered to happen by Intelligent Design.

God's will huh?

Must be a very mean and angry INTELLIGENT God!
 
Cypress said:
ID as a scientific theory is laughable and correctly slapped down by the courts.

ID as a ontological belief system seems perfectly reasonable to me. Absent any tangible data, the idea that the cosmos results from a higher organizing principle beyond human cognition is just as likely as the idea that an ordered, mathmatically structured, and finely-tuned universe just popped into existence for no conceiveable reason.
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It exists because that is the nature of existence


The things that make up the physical world is the nature of existence


It was never CREATED it just is what is


If there is a “controller”


Who created the “controller”


You can’t get away from the “just the nature of existence” by dreaming up a “controller”
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
One out of every 33 babies born in America has some kind of lifetime Debilitating Birth Defect, and I suppose this is also considered to happen by Intelligent Design.

God's will huh?

Must be a very mean and angry INTELLIGENT God!
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And that doesn’t even cover the ones who die in the womb of defects
 
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