The Merchant of Death

ExpressLane said:
He was trying to BUY Russian military secrets. He had 80K on him to buy the Russian secrets. I suspect he was in fact spying for the US.
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Given Whelan's history of identity theft, I would assume he was buying American's identities from the Russian hackers he made contact with. The hackers lacked a way to buy things in the USA, but Whelan could do that.

The man is a convicted thief, who thought nothing of stealing from Marines in combat. I am sure he has no problem working with Russian criminals to steal from regular American consumers.
 
ExpressLane said:
Where did he get the 80K he was found trying to buy secrets with?
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Whelan did steal several hundred thousand from Marines, but that was a while ago. I assume he has been getting away with other crimes to pay his bills. $80k actually seems a bit low all things considered.
 
Walt said:
I just remember that trump handed North Korea a huge amount for Otto Warmbier, which I would have supported if they released him in reasonable shape. Instead, he was mostly brain dead when they released him. The North Koreans laughed and laughed how they had suckered trump.

Paul Whelan was held for two years while trump was president. trump seemed confused as to how to handle it.
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What was the huge amount. NK stopping testing and shooting ICBMs ?
 
ExpressLane said:
He was trying to BUY Russian military secrets. He had 80K on him to buy the Russian secrets. I suspect he was in fact spying for the US.

Griner had 4 cartridges of Hashish oil. That is significantly more than 1 milliliter.
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80k in cash, is that what the Russians claim?

So there's your answer to why he hasn't been released yet. The Russians consider military espionage an infinitely more serious threat than a tiny amount of hash oil. 0.72 grams.

Then you have to factor in that Whelan is no honorable, upstanding military vet. He was dishonorably discharged and has been a petty criminal for years, whereas Griner is a taxpaying, American-law abiding citizen.
 
Lionfish said:
Lefties hate military personnel and love asshats that hate this country unless of course they want back in.
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Paul Whelan was kicked out of the Marines with a bad conduct discharge, but he deserved a dishonorable discharge. For you to defend his stealing from Marines in combat is a sign of what you think of real military personnel.

Trevor Reed had an HONORABLE DISCHARGE from the US Marines. He drank to much, and acted a bit odd on a street, but was basically a good guy.
 
Cypress said:
So there's your answer to why he hasn't been released yet. The Russians consider military espionage an infinitely more serious threat than a tiny milliliter of hash oil.

Then you have to factor in that Whelan is no honorable, upstanding military vet. He was dishonorably discharged and has been a petty criminal for years, whereas Griner is a taxpaying, American-law abiding citizen.
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Now if he was truely an American spy that would be a great cover. . The bottom line a pampered drug using pampered athlete for a guy that supplies terrorist with 30,000 AK47 and 800 surface to air missiles and s trying to kill US military personnel is a very bad deal.
 
ExpressLane said:
What was the huge amount.
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We do not know. We do know they added on a demand for half a million and trump ordered it ahead.

Again, it is not the money that we were ripped off, but the fact that they murdered Warmbier. If you son is taken hostage, you pay the ransom, and they still murder your son... The complaint is not that you lost the ransom. The issue is the murder.
 
ExpressLane said:
Now if he was truely an American spy that would be a great cover.
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It would not be. Whelan would have trouble traveling internationally due to his criminal record, which is why he did everything he could to cover it up.

We always seem to get these stories by convicted criminals that they are really CIA officers. The CIA does not benefit from having officers with criminal records, especially ones that tell everyone that the criminal records are fake. They might work with agents who have real criminal records, but those are not covers, but real crimes.
 
ExpressLane said:
It's not that at all so stop trying to put words in my mouth. Whalen has been in jail longer. Or maybe YOU think a lesbian pampered athlete takes precedence over an ex marine. Is that it? If so why?
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Trevor Reed, the Marine veteran, was the first out. I guess a REAL Marine veteran took precedence.
 
volsrock said:
The hero should have been traded for first

Been there much longer
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I wouldn't say Trevor Reed getting drunk and running around a Russian street makes him a hero, he did have an HONORABLE DISCHARGE from the US Marines, so he is the closest thing to a hero of the three of them... AND HE WAS FIRST!!!
 
ExpressLane said:
Bout IS a BIG deal.
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Bout served 14 years of a 25 year sentence. We would all like to see him serve the full 25... But he did serve over half of it.

And it will be very difficult for Bout to travel outside Russia, or to do business outside Russia. If trump had pardoned him, then Bout could have even gotten visas to travel to the USA.
 
ExpressLane said:
Now if he was truely an American spy that would be a great cover. . The bottom line a pampered drug using pampered athlete for a guy that supplies terrorist with 30,000 AK47 and 800 surface to air missiles and s trying to kill US military personnel is a very bad deal.
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Again, where are you getting these claims? Are they claims the Kremlin prosecutors made?


Griner should only have been assessed a fine, instead of getting nine years in Siberia.

Clearly the bigger travesty of Justice was Griner, not Whelan.

Russian law does not make it a felony to have *any* amount of hash.

It is only a felony if you have a "significant" amount of hash. In our courts that would be interpreted as an amount sufficient to indicate intent to distribute.

Griner only had 0.7 grams of prescribed hash oil. That amount weighs less than a stick of gum.

It was obviously a political decision by the Kremlin to
criminally prosecute that as a "significant' amount of hash, and dish out a ~maximum sentence.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-9-year-prison-sentence&p=5226402#post5226402
 
Cypress said:
Again, where are you getting these claims? Are they claims the Kremlin prosecutors made?


Griner should only have been assessed a fine, instead of getting nine years in Siberia.

Clearly the bigger travesty of Justice was Griner, not Whelan.

Russian law does not make it a felony to have *any* amount of hash.

It is only a felony if you have a "significant" amount of hash. In our courts that would be interpreted as an amount sufficient to indicate intent to distribute.

Griner only had 0.7 grams of prescribed hash oil. That amount weighs less than a stick of gum.

It was obviously a political decision by the Kremlin to
criminally prosecute that as a "significant' amount of hash, and dish out a ~maximum sentence.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-9-year-prison-sentence&p=5226402#post5226402
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Should have?

Do u write Russian laws? A country is free to impose its own law...if u don't like it don't go there....she should have stayed in America u know the country that oppressed her


I am sure Iran does not like the fact that we don't stone or hang gays...should we just because they don't agree with us


If you are gay and go to Iran get caught it's on you, should have stayed here
 
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