The Merchant of Death

Jarod said:
None, at least none for anyone not already brain dead.
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Then Trump would have freed you .


To date, at least 21 hostages held abroad have been freed throughout Trump’s first term. They range from a former CIA officer, Sabrina de Sousa, who was held in Portugal for more than 18 months at the request of Italian prosecutors and an Egyptian-American charity worker Aya Hijazi who was imprisoned in Cairo for three years. Then there was American businesswoman Sandy Phan-Gillis who was released from China, and Caitlin Coleman and her family her were discharged by the Haqqani network in the Pakistan-Afghanistan area in 2017.
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump-american-hostages-home-policy-experts
 
Cypress said:
I'd like to think Trump wouldn't have let Whelan rot in the Gulag for years if he was an important American spy.

I think it is reasonable to think based on the evidence that Whelan was an ex-marine with a fetish for Russian culture, Russian women, and he had an innocent interest in military technology like millions of other people do.

FSB is paranoid, and an ex-marine who has an interest in the Russian military and has a habit of taking tourist trips to Russia got Whelan on their radar.
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Where did he get the 80K he was found trying to buy secrets with?
 
ExpressLane said:
Whelan is a former marine who has been in prison longer and has served his country. I'm glad Griner is coming home but Paul Whelan should be coming home first. It is sad that the price was Viktor Bout that was caught try to sell 30,000 AK 47s and 800 surface to air missiles and trying to bring down an American helicopter.

Will Putin just jail another American to eventually swap.
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Stop glorifying his past, he had a bad conduct discharge. He was not the greatest American hero.

"He enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserve in 1994.[SUP][7][/SUP] He took military leave from Kelly Services to serve with the Marine Corps Reserve from 2003 to 2008, including service in Iraq. He held the rank of staff sergeant with Marine Air Control Group 38 working as an administrative clerk and administrative chief, and he was part of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[SUP][8][/SUP] After a court-martial conviction in January 2008 on multiple counts "related to larceny", he was sentenced to 60 days restriction, reduction to pay grade E-4, and a bad conduct discharge.[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP] The specific charges against him included attempting to steal more than $10,000 in 2006 in Iraq and using a false Social Security number to create a false account on a government computer system to grade his own examinations."
 
Cypress said:
I'd like to think Trump wouldn't have let Whelan rot in the Gulag for years if he was an important American spy.

I think it is reasonable to think based on the evidence that Whelan was an ex-marine with a fetish for Russian culture, Russian women, and he had an innocent interest in military technology like millions of other people do.

FSB is paranoid, and an ex-marine who has an interest in the Russian military and has a habit of taking tourist trips to Russia got Whelan on their radar.
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An ex-Marine with a bad conduct discharge and a conviction for larceny.
 
christiefan915 said:
Stop glorifying his past, he had a bad conduct discharge. He was not the greatest American hero.

"He enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserve in 1994.[SUP][7][/SUP] He took military leave from Kelly Services to serve with the Marine Corps Reserve from 2003 to 2008, including service in Iraq. He held the rank of staff sergeant with Marine Air Control Group 38 working as an administrative clerk and administrative chief, and he was part of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[SUP][8][/SUP] After a court-martial conviction in January 2008 on multiple counts "related to larceny", he was sentenced to 60 days restriction, reduction to pay grade E-4, and a bad conduct discharge.[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP] The specific charges against him included attempting to steal more than $10,000 in 2006 in Iraq and using a false Social Security number to create a false account on a government computer system to grade his own examinations."
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Oops. So it looks as though he would have been imprisoned either way. He just lucked out and got a shitty Russian cell instead of a somewhat upgraded American one.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Oops. So it looks as though he would have been imprisoned either way. He just lucked out and got a shitty Russian cell instead of a somewhat upgraded American one.
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Yes. Now I'm not saying he shouldn't be released, but both cases aren't equal. And I can imagine why trump didn't work harder to get him out... he was captured, and trump only likes people who weren't captured. :thinking:
 
ExpressLane said:
Whelan is a former marine who has been in prison longer and has served his country. I'm glad Griner is coming home but Paul Whelan should be coming home first. It is sad that the price was Viktor Bout that was caught try to sell 30,000 AK 47s and 800 surface to air missiles and trying to bring down an American helicopter.

Will Putin just jail another American to eventually swap.
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There are no other Russians who can sell arms? Certainly Bout is not that valuable.
 
Lefties hate military personnel and love asshats that hate this country unless of course they want back in.
 
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