F—ck Off!

Cypress said:
So you agree we have a vested interest in enforcing a world order where aggressor states cannot take land from neighboring democracies by military force.

That is a principle we should defend forever, not just for one year.

Putin is not going to fight for five or ten years. He doesn't have the economic, social or political capacity to wage total war for that long.

We just have to outlast him until he is either defeated on the battlefield, or is forced to sue for peace on terms acceptable to the Ukranians
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Russia has been fighting in Ukraine for 8 years, 7 months and 2 weeks already
 
anonymoose said:
This isn't just Ukraine's war. This is a war to block Putin and his cronies' aggression. If he had taken over Ukraine, Moldova would be next IMO. The more he got away with, the more he would not stop. I say Putin because I seriously doubt that most Russians are all in on this. They just want to live their lives in peace like anybody else.
By chance I happened to play golf with a pretty Russian gal on a work permit while I wa in CA on a recent vacation. During the round she got a text from her brother that had just escaped to Finland. We had kept quiet about the war until then and after that text she went into a tirade about how much she hated Putin, how he had fucked up Russia , how Russia could be a wealthy and prosperous country with their education system and resources, blah, blah, etc.
This war is almost 100% about Putin and his narcissistic believe that he could make Russia a great empire and go down in history as one of the great Russian leaders.

If Putin were really smart he could've played and taken advantage of a good relationship with the West and with China.
He must be stopped and Ukraine has him on his heels. Stopping now would pull the rug out from under what is surprisingly much better progress than I imagined last Feb. 24.
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I have several cousins and acquaintances in Russia and they all hate Putin and not a single one of them support this war.
 
Cypress said:
So you agree we have a vested interest in enforcing a world order where aggressor states cannot take land from neighboring democracies by military force.

That is a principle we should defend forever, not just for one year.

Putin is not going to fight for five or ten years. He doesn't have the economic, social or political capacity to wage total war for that long.

We just have to outlast him until he is either defeated on the battlefield, or is forced to sue for peace on terms acceptable to the Ukranians
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I expect this ends with Putin's ouster from power.
 
AProudLefty said:
Russians want to change Russia into a new country or separated countries. I forgot what they called it if it happens.
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At least 30 percent of Americans would have openly supported Trump if he successfully engineered a military coup in January 2021 to keep Biden from serving his term.

All Putin needs is 30 to 40 percent hardcore approval in Russia and then he can fraudulently manufacture election results to make it look like he is widely popular.
 
Cypress said:
Brand new to this board, eh?

Moon and some of your MAGA buddies have been hollering for six months that Ukraine should just submit and give part of their country to Putin.
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Yak is an anti-American Trumper. He'll say anything that attacks the USA. It's also why he uses the Yak sock.
 
Controlled Opposition said:
To borrow a shop-worn phrase; The fat lady has yet to sing. Negotiation is the way to go.
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Negotiation was the way long before Putin went into Ukraine. Biden refused to sit down and attempt a dialogue. I guess he felt a war was a convenient distraction from his massive failures here at home.
 
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