This storm called Ian

moon said:
Yes, it has. The geological record shows how human activities have altered our atmosphere. Those changes have been detrimental to the climate we are used to.

How do I know ? The warnings have been sounded for at least the past fifty years- and now it's in all the papers.
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No. This world has had much worth weather long before and during man.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
True. And if there were absolutely no people on this planet there would still be hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, etc. etc. Nothing has changed.
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That’s true. There would still be all of those climactic events.

The other part is not true. In fact, there ARE people on this planet. Billions of them. And their lives are affected in a major way due to climate change.
 
I am really looking forward to some discussion about how the new building codes did....Florida was pretty sure that they did that right....this was the first really good test.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am really looking forward to some discussion about how the new building codes did....Florida was pretty sure that they did that right....this was the first really good test.
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^^^ #10 admits he's a Chinese Commie by suggesting workers to accept higher building costs or submit to government housing.

Fuck you Commie! God Bless America! :flagsal:
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You are such a liar.
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You're the commie motherfucker suggesting oppressive building codes against American workers.

..or are you so fucking demented to think the waiters and janitors were living in those houses on the beach and canals?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am really looking forward to some discussion about how the new building codes did....Florida was pretty sure that they did that right....this was the first really good test.
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New building codes imposed and enforced by whom, #10?

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Great story on the dynamics of IAN, and why the experts missed on strength:

Late Tuesday, Ian underwent what meteorologists call an eyewall replacement cycle where the spiraling storm center contracts under intense pressure until it can no longer take the burden and collapses.

In some cases, the still-mysterious phenomenon can disrupt a storm, allowing dry air to push its way into the very heart of the cyclone, causing it to weaken or dissolve entirely.

In Ian’s case, it strengthened it.

The eyewall expanded, extending the reach of the fiercest winds at its core to a devastating reach of 35 miles. Furious thunderstorms lined up symmetrically like a slinky adding more punch. And the overall size ballooned, enough to fit 2004's Hurricane Charley comfortably within its scope. That allowed Ian to push an unprecedented amount of water into Southwest Florida’s frayed coastline.

Ruination followed.

“I’m not sure how many truly grasp what just happened tonight with Hurricane Ian,” meteorologist Michael Lowry wrote on Twitter at 11:41 p.m. Tuesday. “Ian went through a full eyewall replacement cycle, hardly blinked, grew by 50% and delivered the 3rd highest storm surge since 1913 to Key West in the process. Just wow.”
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https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...e-winds-worse-because-change-eye/10460445002/
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Great story on the dynamics of IAN, and why the experts missed on strength:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...e-winds-worse-because-change-eye/10460445002/
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Thanks for priving DeSantis failed the state of Florida and all of those suffering from his failures.

Hurricane Ian: Here's how an 'eyewall replacement cycle' turned Ian from a mess into a monster
Hurricane Ian was a collision of every ingredient needed to build a leviathan storm of record magnitude.

But there was one variable — a capricious event in the raucous center of the cyclone — that compounded the rage.

Late Tuesday, Ian underwent what meteorologists call an eyewall replacement cycle where the spiraling storm center contracts under intense pressure until it can no longer take the burden and collapses.

In some cases, the still-mysterious phenomenon can disrupt a storm, allowing dry air to push its way into the very heart of the cyclone, causing it to weaken or dissolve entirely.

In Ian’s case, it strengthened it.
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Should Florida reelect a failure???
 
Dutch Uncle said:
JPP Trumpers are ready to blame any deaths after the storm, such as heatstroke and dehydration, as being a massive LW conspiracy to defame DeSantis.

DeSantis, BTW, is supposed to speak tonight at 1930, but I suspect that's Eastern time.
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Gaslighting. Bigotry. No argument presented.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
DeSantis is afraid of looking like a loser if it's revealed that thousands have died. Watch for the National Guard to be sneaking body bags out of Fort Myers from now until Halloween. :thup:

You can't even trust Fox News anymore. Brett Baier reported "massive devastation". He's gone Lefty!
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Gaslighting. Fiction. No argument presented.
 
guno said:
Fake news to make desantis look bad!!!

Searchers hunt for victims of Hurricane Ian amid a swath of destruction

FORT MYERS BEACH, Fla. — Emergency crews and search teams deployed across the Ian-battered flood zones of Southwest Florida on Thursday, hunting for survivors and the missing while only beginning to measure the massive scope of destruction wrought the day before by one of the most powerful hurricanes ever to hit the United States.
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It isn't.
 
Walt said:
Florida is definitely better than Puerto Rico, much like Puerto Rico is better than El Salvador, but no sane person would call their building code "robust". DeSantis wants hundreds of billions in federal funding to bail out their failed building codes. They cannot get homeowners insurance, because their building codes are failed. Buildings actually collapse from time to time because their building codes failed. They have some of the lowest sewer connection rates, because their building codes failed. Huge number of houses are just spewing untreated sewerage into the environment, like a third world nation.

Florida is a national disgrace, and we all know it.



It is a spectrum. There are the civilized places, below them is Florida(which hopes to get bailed out by the civilized places), below that is Puerto Rico, below that is Mexico, below that is Thailand, below that is South Africa, below that is Nigeria, and below that is Rwanda.
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What failed building codes???!?
 
moon said:
This event presents an opportunity for everybody that has had doubts about the advent of anthropogenic global warming to come down on the useful side of doing something about it.

As for the self-serving wasters........................well...........
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What global warming?????!? No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing. You are STILL ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.
 
moon said:
Weather is an expression of climate.
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No, it isn't. Weather is just weather. It isn't an expression of anything. Redefinition fallacy (weather<->climate).
moon said:
You know that.
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You don't get to speak for others. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.
moon said:
What is remarkable is the intensity of modern events and their increasing frequency, globally.
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Argument from randU fallacy. It is not possible to measure the number and intensity of storms on Earth.

Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
 
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