"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"

Cypress said:
Given the sampling error in any legitimate polling, the level of 'regret' between a philosophy major and a vocational degree is statistically about the same.
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I'd have to see how the question was posed. I see no link.

I find it very hard to believe that people who exited school with a trade, are unhappy.

Unless they went to a scam trade school that guarantees job placement, but doesn't actually guarantee anything.
 
LV426 said:
Sure, but the issue here is that Conservatives believe a college education shouldn't be available to everyone because they want to keep people dumb.

So they tell them to go to a Vo-tech school like DeVry where they don't develop critical thinking skills; and since their critical thinking was arrested at age 18, they don't have the critical thinking to know that they're being exploited for their labor.
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And there it is.


I'm not a Republican, and I call for the majority of students who would otherwise obtain a useless degree, to learn a trade. I see no downside.
 
LV426 said:
Yes, that too.

Many of those for-profit "trade schools" are scams.
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There was a time when exiting high school left you highly literate, and able to do complex math.

These days people exit college functionally illiterate.

A quality basic education is all you need to excel in most trades, especially if you learn from a business owner.

You make a good point about critical thinking. If you have the right mentor, a lack of education shouldn't be an issue for long.
 
Cypress said:
If I went down the vocational path I would go to a public community college for nursing, automotive technology, or electronics.

Trump University should have taught us a lesson about private schools
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Of those, only nursing requires a degree. In NY, that is now a bachelors, which is a waste.

In the future, we should see apprenticeship programs where local businesses work with high schools, or community colleges.

Overwhelmingly, I believe the biggest problem today is work ethic.
 
Cypress said:
The posters who holler that a college degree is either worthless or highly overrated generally never graduated college themselves, and have no idea what the college experience is.

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Include me. I had to leave an abusive home, so I split after 1 year in a community college.

That 'experience' you mention is valid, but for the most part you are learning to associate with all walks of life, and other cultures.

You get the same exact experience by jumping into life with both feet, though. You just don't get to postpone said jumping, and you most certainly don't lead the sheltered life that college offers.

Don't get me wrong...if your parents can afford to offer you a 4 year vacation from life that's great. I refer to the myriad useless degrees. Not medical/law/accounting, etc.. The problem is the complaint about massive debt after said vacation, which is rampant in society now that college is so expensive.
 
BidenPresident said:
I suspect it is a very minor part of university life. Mostly you FOX morons whining about nothing.
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There are classes that might encourage critical thinking, but for the most part students are required to parrot predetermined responses when prompted.

Granted...math will always be math, and chemistry will always be chemistry.

The programs that require critical thinking don't make for a successful post college career, but I find those who excel at the aforementioned have very little common sense.
Because they've been trained parrots for so long.
 
LV426 said:
Humanities and social sciences are honorable work too, just as much as plumbing and welding...maybe even moreso because you have to help people and understand them.

And they may deride those people like that, but who is it who is always flipping out at baristas? The same people who deride them.
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I assumed the thread was about those who aren't making a good living due to their choice of study?
Typically, the honorable vocations pay very little.

I'm not a plumber or an electrician, but I do A LOT of both. I would argue that when you come out on a moments notice to fix a water heater, you are indeed helping people. Especially when the local plumbers won't even answer the phone.
 
LV426 said:
The average wage of a plumber is just ~$48K.

The average wage of a carpenter is ~$41K.

The average wage of an electrician is ~$50K.

The average wage of a roofer is just ~$44K.

None of those wages surpass the average wage in this country ($56K).

Whoever is saying there's "so much money" in those fields is lying because they don't want educated people who will question their exploitation; they want obedient workers who can do a task and not gripe about being exploited, or take action to form a union to collectively bargain for better wages and benefits, of which they have a Constitutional right to organize.
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I don't think you can use this method for your analysis. You are taking the average wage of individual vocations, and then comparing them to EVERY field in the world. Including hedge fund managers, doctors/lawyers, etc..

My labor rate is $50/hour whether I'm doing a kitchen/bathroom for you, or cleaning your toilet. That equates to $100,000/year if I work 5 days/week, 8 hours/day.

Granted, your averages are for employees, not self employed people. BUT, an associate in a law firm wallows in a low paying position for many years before they make good money...and they have a mountain of debt.

If you equate employment at any of the jobs you mention above, as a stepping stone to self employment, it works out pretty well.

Hell...forty years ago I knew kids who made six figures/year mowing lawns.
 
LV426 said:
I agree...there are plenty of fucking dumbasses with college degrees.

But there are far more fucking dumbasses without them.
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Whereas that's true, I learned about judging 'dumb' people back in the 70's.

Quite a few cannot spell their name, but they can pull an engine apart and put it back together.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, it's not. Many business majors are fairly worthless, others are worth the time. Examples: Marketing, worthless. Accounting worth the time. Education on the other hand, has become largely an exercise in indoctrination and political correctness. Colleges of education today at most major universities are overrun with the worst of the radical Left.
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You have to define 'worthless'.

In our rigged system, you must have a degree to get a job in many fields. So that business degree leaves you dumber than many who have not gone to college, but it will land you the job while the latter has no chance.
 
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