Properties of fascism

[Grokmaster]

PRESIDENT MORON, HAS USED THE NATIONAL POLICE TO ATTACK HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS, AND BURY ANY DATA ABOUT HIS CRIMINAL SON/FAMILY, SOUGHT TO FORCE AMERICANS TO TAKE VACCINATIONS, WEAR MASKS, AND DESTROY THEIR BUSINESSES UNDER THREAT OF IMPRISONMENT....ETC.


WE SEE WHO THE "FASCIST" IS; AS ALWAYS THE STALIN-O-CRATS BLAME EVERYONE ELSE FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

 

[Into the Night]

oh boo hoo, poor downtrodden multinational.

and sometimes corporations control the government.

It is correct for corporations and others to control the government. Government should be limited. This is the whole point of a republic.

 

[Into the Night]

and corporations pick elected officials with massive donations.

Not possible. They ELECTED.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

It is correct for corporations and others to control the government. Government should be limited. This is the whole point of a republic.

no it isn't. individual citizens should and often do control the government, one vote per.

you're an unapologetic fascist, that's why you can't stand proper definitions of the word.

and no, libertarian dufus, corporations are not people.

eliminate citizens united.

eliminate kelo decision.

mandatory.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Not possible. They ELECTED.

donations matter. big donors often get special treatement.

if you cannot acknowledge this, you're just a fucking obvious liar.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

i wish you fucking libertarians would go be romney ite fascists and quit pretending you give a fuck.

you hilarious libertarian FEDS who "hate the state".

stop lying to everyone.

 

[Into the Night]

We get into an interesting question when you use the word "enslave" with corporations. Slavery is when a person is owned by others. If a corporation is a person, and is owned by others, that is slavery. By this Republican reasoning, stockholders have no rights of ownership over corporations, because that is slavery.

Under this scenario, that is correct. A corporation is not a person, but is made up of people.

I do not believe in corporate personhood myself. Or more accurately corporate personhood is a legal fiction created by the government, and has absolutely no rights beyond that which lawmakers give it. The real persons in the corporation have rights, but the corporation has no Constitutional rights on its own.

A corporation is not a person. It is made up of people. The Constitution does not give rights. That is not it's purpose. Rights do not come from a piece of paper.

If you are a real Constitutional Originalist, you agree with me.

True Scotsman fallacy. The Constitution is what it is as it stands today, including all of its amendments.

For the first 100 years of the Constitution, there were no private corporations.

Irrelevant. Corporations are made up of people, just like any business organization.

The idea that corporations had Constitutional rights would have been alien to anyone during the first 100 years of the Constitution.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper. Obviously you have no idea what a constitution does or what it's for.

Limited liability corporations have been very useful to corporations, but we need to stop pretending they have Constitutional rights that real persons do not.

Rights do not come from the Constitution. Limited Liability corporations are also made up of people, just like any business organization. They are real people.

 

[Bigdog]

The is communism, not fascism. A corporation that has been absorbed has been merge into the government. The corporation no longer exists. That market is now owned by the government. That is communism, another form of socialism.

Fascism, however, is a stepping stone on the way to communism .

For example, there are plenty of State owned oil industries that still exist as corporations.

Remind me again of your definition of communism, please.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you have any examples of a corporation in charge of the gov't?

Maybe he's thinking of DuPont, which went whining to the government to implement the Church of the Ozone Hole because they were losing their patents on R12 refrigerant. It certainly is not in charge of the government, but it did bribe enough idiots to create the EPA (which in and of itself is unconstitutional) and ban R12 refrigerant. They were pretty successful at this worldwide, once they got twits in the US government to go along with it.

The Church of the Ozone Hole stems from the Church of Green. As always, the intent is to implement communism and fascism.

DuPont does not own the government, and is not in charge of the government. Religious types already within government and willing to take bribe money are the ones that did this. The went for it because it was a way for government to justify overrreach of authority.

Since then, other examples of such religious actions by government include banning incandescent light bulbs, toilets that actually work, gasoline engines, tetra-ethyl lead, used cars, certain types of guns, many toys by Gilbert or Wham-O, etc.

All of it unconstitutional. The federal government was never given this kind of authority by the Constitution. The problem is unconstitutional elements of government, not corporations.

You have to remember that AssHatZombie dislikes any large corporation. He has conflated actions by corporations like DuPont to ALL corporations. This is bigotry.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Under this scenario, that is correct. A corporation is not a person, but is made up of people.

A corporation is not a person. It is made up of people. The Constitution does not give rights. That is not it's purpose. Rights do not come from a piece of paper.

True Scotsman fallacy. The Constitution is what it is as it stands today, including all of its amendments.

Irrelevant. Corporations are made up of people, just like any business organization.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper. Obviously you have no idea what a constitution does or what it's for.

Rights do not come from the Constitution. Limited Liability corporations are also made up of people, just like any business organization. They are real people.

youre going back and forth about corporate personhood....

our constitution has the force of law and laws do protect rights, in a real sense..

it's good they're written down and esconced in "law". It's what civilized people use, war-tard.

 

[Into the Night]

yes. large arms companies getting the government to declare war to use their products.
the military industrial complex.
and if you dont think that's real you're just not paying attention and are a fascist in denial.

No such corporation. Redefinition fallacy (capitalism<->fascism).

Companies like Boeing, GM, Ford, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Federal Ammunition, and foreign suppliers such as Hitachi, Fuji Heavy Industries, Glock, and a whole bunch of others do make military hardware, and they do sell to governments, but they also make stuff for general consumption by the public. NONE of them own the government. The government bids for these products from different corporations, just like every other major purchase they make. Nothing compels the government to make any purchase at all.

or insurance companies, pushing laws you must buy insurance.

This particular scam is pushed upon people, not government. People then push their government into passing such laws (which are unconstitutional). Government goes for it because it increases their power.

obamacare was a gift to the insurance industry, and neocons call it "SOCIALISM". when it's a actually a corporate gift.

Obamacare is fascism and also part communism, both forms of socialism. It DESTROYED many insurance companies. You somehow consider that a 'gift'???????!?

the paltry shitty new plans on the shitty website were a sideshow.

This is the communism aspect of this law. Obamacare became government owned health insurance. Much of the teeth of this law was nullified by executive order by President Trump. Obamacare is no longer required. The damage it has done is lasting, though. Funding for this Government Healthcare Insurance can no longer be gathered by taxes. Today, it is falling apart from it's own weight.

 

[Bigdog]

Maybe he's thinking of DuPont, which went whining to the government to implement the Church of the Ozone Hole because they were losing their patents on R12 refrigerant.

I was working in the appliance parts industry at the time that happened. Literally overnite, the price of a bottle of R12 went from $25 to $900.

We also can thank Dupont for getting FDR to criminalize MJ and destroy America's thriving hemp industry.

 

[Into the Night]

someone buys them, for the most part.

the citizen united case should be reversed.

so should the kelo decision.

these were horrific decisions guaranteeing fascism.

Redefinition fallacy (fascism<->1st amendment).

You can't buy an election. You can try to influence which way people vote (such as commenting on JPP!), encouraging your choice of candidates among people in your neighborhood, school, or business, or by spending money on candidates for their campaigns, or even by just putting a sign in your yard, but the election still occurs unmodified.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Maybe he's thinking of DuPont, which went whining to the government to implement the Church of the Ozone Hole because they were losing their patents on R12 refrigerant. It certainly is not in charge of the government, but it did bribe enough idiots to create the EPA (which in and of itself is unconstitutional) and ban R12 refrigerant. They were pretty successful at this worldwide, once they got twits in the US government to go along with it.

The Church of the Ozone Hole stems from the Church of Green. As always, the intent is to implement communism and fascism.

DuPont does not own the government, and is not in charge of the government. Religious types already within government and willing to take bribe money are the ones that did this. The went for it because it was a way for government to justify overrreach of authority.

Since then, other examples of such religious actions by government include banning incandescent light bulbs, toilets that actually work, gasoline engines, tetra-ethyl lead, used cars, certain types of guns, many toys by Gilbert or Wham-O, etc.

All of it unconstitutional. The federal government was never given this kind of authority by the Constitution. The problem is unconstitutional elements of government, not corporations.

You have to remember that AssHatZombie dislikes any large corporation. He has conflated actions by corporations like DuPont to ALL corporations. This is bigotry.

don't act like corporations do not gain massive advantage through outsized government influence.

you're just lying right to our faces. you're like a dem.

get off the corporate cock, braindead libertarian fascist mouthbreather.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

No such corporation. Redefinition fallacy (capitalism<->fascism).

Companies like Boeing, GM, Ford, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Federal Ammunition, and foreign suppliers such as Hitachi, Fuji Heavy Industries, Glock, and a whole bunch of others do make military hardware, and they do sell to governments, but they also make stuff for general consumption by the public. NONE of them own the government. The government bids for these products from different corporations, just like every other major purchase they make. Nothing compels the government to make any purchase at all.


This particular scam is pushed upon people, not government. People then push their government into passing such laws (which are unconstitutional). Government goes for it because it increases their power.

Obamacare is fascism and also part communism, both forms of socialism. It DESTROYED many insurance companies. You somehow consider that a 'gift'???????!?

This is the communism aspect of this law. Obamacare became government owned health insurance. Much of the teeth of this law was nullified by executive order by President Trump. Obamacare is no longer required. The damage it has done is lasting, though. Funding for this Government Healthcare Insurance can no longer be gathered by taxes. Today, it is falling apart from it's own weight.

just stop.

you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Where are you on the Klaus Schwab and the WEF? are they good people with laudable goals?

let's see who you really are.

 

[Into the Night]

yes. corporations can be just as evil as a state, tell your libertarian friends.

Illiteracy: Failure to capitalize the beginning of sentences.

Logic errors: Bigotry. Redefinition fallacy (evil<->large corporation).

A corporation can certainly conduct itself in an evil or unlawful way, but that is not all corporations, or if it occurs, not all the time. To assume such is called 'bigotry'. Even then, they are not government.

You seem to have a problem with the Libertarian party. Fine. That is your right. It IS a logical fallacy to assume that anyone that disagrees with you is a member of the Libertarian party however. That's called 'bigotry'.

In the case of so-called 'big tech':
Twitter and Facebook, being websites claim protections under FRN Title 45, $230. This law protects websites from civil lawsuits over libel resulting from opinions by their users. Any forum website (such as JPP!) is also protected by this same law. JPP cannot be sued for any libel made by you. YOU are responsible, not JPP. Being a blind forum, JPP will not release personal information until directed to by the court, and only as specifically directed by the court. This is the other side of Section 230, and conforms with the 5th amendment.

Lately, both Twitter and Facebook have been censoring their users for political reasons, imposing their OWN view upon their sites. Many forum websites have done the same. JPP has not. ANY website that does so has LOST Section 230 protection, and is open to libel suits. Some people are already suing them.

The land of technology is an ever changing one. People have gotten pretty disgusted with the behavior of Twitter, for example. An open source version has been available for some time, called Gab. Many have moved there. I you like this type of service, I suggest you move there. Facebook itself is being replaced by other competing websites as well, some of them running as open source.

Forums that do this have competition from forums that choose not to be so abusive. JPP is a good example. Other political websites censor for political purposes. JPP doesn't. The rules here are simple and straightforward. NONE of them are politically based or used to censor for political reasons. There are other forums that are also good sites for open discussion, particularly in certain specific areas, such as global warming.

IBM used to be 'Big Tech'. They are almost a nothing now. Microsoft and later the open source community and the personal computer saw to that! Microsoft itself did not learn from that. They've been driven out of the automotive software market, cell phone market, web server market, portable media market, and they are now losing the desktop market. All to open source.

What is open source? It is capitalism. It is simply people writing their own software for others to use, and making their source code available. There are thousands of packages, including forum software and webserver software. There is even software to build yourself a web marketing site (similar to what Amazon does) entirely out of open source tools. The advantage of open source is that you have the source code. If you find a bug or want a new feature, just fix it or write it.

If you write stuff for the Cloud, there are three competitors providing these services: AWS (Amazon Web Services) is the most extensive (they invented the Cloud), Microsoft Azure (a rather distant 2nd place in the market), and Google Cloud Services (almost useless). NOTHING prevents you from forming another Cloud services company (or even a corporation!). There are numerous examples already available. Don't like AWS? Use Microsoft or fight with Google's problems, or you can always just write and provide your own services yourself (the old way of doing it!).

I don't think you realize just how much revenue Amazon lost because of their political censorship of one client on AWS. People saw that and Amazon lost a LOT of revenue for that one! They've learned their lesson on that one, for now.

On summary, AWS, Google, and Microsoft Azure can ONLY exist because they provide something that people want to buy. This is capitalism. None of these corporations own government. Have they screwed up? Yes. They paid for it too! A corporation is made up of people, and people screw up. They aren't perfect!

In the end, censorship doesn't work. Sooner or later, word gets out. Those who try to censor only remove themselves from the conversation. Want an example? Look at how ineffective ignore lists are on JPP.

You can't stop the signal, Mel. -- Serenity

 

[Into the Night]

I was working in the appliance parts industry at the time that happened. Literally overnite, the price of a bottle of R12 went from $25 to $900.

We also can thank Dupont for getting FDR to criminalize MJ and destroy America's thriving hemp industry.

I remember this when it happened. I'm not a big fan of DuPont for many reasons. You can't blame FDR on DuPont, however. FDR was a socialist, and attempted to implement an oligarchy, replacing the Constitution even back then. People stopped much of it, but we still have much of the damage FDR caused that is still with us today.

SSI, which is communism; and
The Federal Reserve, the confiscation of gold (when Fort Knox was built to house the confiscated gold!), and the issuance of fiat money (communism); are but two examples.

It is FDR that made the Great Depression Great. The downturn would have resolved itself, it not for FDR's interference with markets.

 

[Into the Night]

this implanted corporate/state dichotomy is the main mindfuck of our time.

dems can never see anything wrong with what the government does.

republicans and libertarians tend to be unable to criticize corporations.

they collude to fuck us over, meanwhile your average joe can only criticize half the problem.

Redefinition fallacy (government<->corporation, evil<->corporation, capitalism<->fascism)). Bigotry.

Did you know that your average Joe probably voluntarily works for a corporation, and voluntarily buys products and services from corporations? Average Joe IS part of a corporation!
So you are actually attempting to argue that Average Joe is evil, and trying to fuck over Average Joe.

You are making an irrational argument.

 

[Into the Night]

no it isn't.

Yes it is. Government should be subservient to people (and corporations), not the other way around. This is the whole point of a republic as a form of government. Government by law is inherently limited.

individual citizens should and often do control the government, one vote per.

We are not a democracy and never were. The United States was organized as a federated republic. It has a constitution, and so do each of the States. Even every county or parish and every city has a constitution (often called a 'charter), operating under the authority of the State constitution.

you're an unapologetic fascist, that's why you can't stand proper definitions of the word.

Redefinition fallacy (conservative<->fascist, corporation<->fascism). Sorry dude, you don't get to redefine any word.

and no, libertarian dufus, corporations are not people.

Redefinition fallacy (conservative<->libertarian, corporation<->void). Corporations are made up of people, dude. Every corporation was created by at least two people, who are the principle investors, and any they hire to help conduct their business. A corporation is simply a way to organize a business. A business, any business, is not fascism. It doesn't matter if it happens to be organized as a corporation, LLC, partnership, or sole proprietor.

eliminate citizens united.
eliminate kelo decision.

mandatory.

So you want to discard the 1st amendment. No, you don't get to do that. Too many people in this country still uphold and honor the Constitution of the United States, even though the Democrats don't.