Liz Cheney lost BIG.

ThatOwlWoman said:
He's the Anti-King Midas -- everything he touches turns to coal. :laugh:

You may enjoy this too:

New Trump business partners compile list of his business failures — showing he poses financial risk
Trump's "Truth Social" investors inadvertently made the case that he could bankrupt the whole company
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First...that SPAC is in legal trouble. They broke the law by letting investors know that they planned to back trump's latest propaganda network. SPACs are not supposed to inform investors before they invest.

trump always brags about making big money on his casinos. That's because he did. He robbed them blind, leaving investors to deal with the losses due to bankruptcy.

I find it amusing that his dirty laundry is now out there for all to see.

As if we didn't already know
 
Flash said:
I understand and don't think most of those actions were necessary. But things like early voting for 2-3 weeks, extended hours, drop boxes, and mail-in voting did not even exist a few years ago in most states and nobody complained their votes were being suppressed. None of those things should stop a person from voting who puts in a little effort.

Again, I can find no evidence of voter fraud or voter suppression. I did find one 90+ year old veteran who could not vote because he did not have a voter ID. He had the necessary documents, he just did not know he had to bring them. He cast a provisional ballot.
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In what should have been illegal, Kemp purged tens of thousands of voters from the rolls in black districts. That's when he was running for governor. If you move across the street, and they mail an inquiry to your old address, you will be removed from the rolls when that letter is returned. Similar to your anecdote, many people don't know that they have to take certain actions to comply.


Closing polling places in key districts is tantamount to voter suppression. Especially when elderly people now have to travel to vote. Some states made it a requirement for college students to register their vehicles in the state if they want to vote while living on campus.

There are a handful of states that have mail voting only, with great success. I live in a state where voting is easy, so I can't imagine having to jump through hoops.

Even with early voting, many people work 10-12 hours a day and have to put forth an effort to vote. Voting should be made easier, not harder.

All that aside, how do you feel about states that are doing away with non partisan election boards, and installing partisans to oversee elections?
 
Althea said:
First...that SPAC is in legal trouble. They broke the law by letting investors know that they planned to back trump's latest propaganda network. SPACs are not supposed to inform investors before they invest.

trump always brags about making big money on his casinos. That's because he did. He robbed them blind, leaving investors to deal with the losses due to bankruptcy.

I find it amusing that his dirty laundry is now out there for all to see.

As if we didn't already know
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How odd though that his Cult is blind to his corruption and cheating. We shouldn't be surprised. Why would he treat the United States -- and us -- any different than the thousands of others he's ripped off?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
How odd though that his Cult is blind to his corruption and cheating. We shouldn't be surprised. Why would he treat the United States -- and us -- any different than the thousands of others he's ripped off?
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He was taught from a young age that nothing is more important than money. From the moment he accidentally won the election, he concocted ways to monetize the office.
 
Flash said:
Yes, that is why the Trump voter sent in his dead wife's ballot--integrity.
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He wasn't the only one, either.

The Pattern of GOP Voter Fraud
In case after case from 2020, it turns out that Republicans were the ones misbehaving at the ballot box.

What's interesting about the above article is how they found all these cases of Republican voter fraud. They found them via the Heritage Foundation's voter fraud database.
 
Althea said:
He was taught from a young age that nothing is more important than money. From the moment he accidentally won the election, he concocted ways to monetize the office.
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If you have enough money, you can buy your way out of almost everything. Now he's got money *and* a cult to ensure that he stays viable and in the news.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
If you have enough money, you can buy your way out of almost everything. Now he's got money *and* a cult to ensure that he stays viable and in the news.
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Unfortunately, agreed.

There's a reason why OJ and Trump shared the same lawyer; money buys the best. It's like an old western shootout between the local sheriff and a hired gun of the land barons.

The irony? The same laws that protect the criminals most RWNJs hate are also the same laws that protect people like OJ and Pedo Don: a presumption of innocence along with the philosophy that it's better to let 9 guilty men go free than to convict 1 innocent man.

OJ and Pedo Don are guilty of multiple crimes but the same laws protecting crack dealers protect them.
 
Althea said:
In what should have been illegal, Kemp purged tens of thousands of voters from the rolls in black districts. That's when he was running for governor. If you move across the street, and they mail an inquiry to your old address, you will be removed from the rolls when that letter is returned. Similar to your anecdote, many people don't know that they have to take certain actions to comply.


Closing polling places in key districts is tantamount to voter suppression. Especially when elderly people now have to travel to vote. Some states made it a requirement for college students to register their vehicles in the state if they want to vote while living on campus.

There are a handful of states that have mail voting only, with great success. I live in a state where voting is easy, so I can't imagine having to jump through hoops.

Even with early voting, many people work 10-12 hours a day and have to put forth an effort to vote. Voting should be made easier, not harder.

All that aside, how do you feel about states that are doing away with non partisan election boards, and installing partisans to oversee elections?
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I'm not that familiar with the partisan election boards. What I have read doesn't sound like a good idea.

I live in Texas and voting is very easy. People over 65 or who have disabilities or will be out of the county on election day can vote by mail. Early voting lasts for 12 days with multiple polling places and voters can choose any location. Voters can track their mail in ballot and be notified if there is a problem with the opportunity to correct the defect.

A disabled voter can have their ballot brought to them in their car curbside. Voters may bring an interpreter.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
yes.......they looked.....
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Most of the election investigations occurred county-wide and found about the same results every time they counted. The Cyber Ninjas investigation in AZ found no problems and Biden gained votes from the original count. And, they found no bamboo.
 
Flash said:
Most of the election investigations occurred county-wide and found about the same results every time they counted. The Cyber Ninjas investigation in AZ found no problems and Biden gained votes from the original count. And, they found no bamboo.
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give me an example of a blue voting district investigated by an independent auditor.........by the way, the Arizona investigation found dozens of problems......all were ignored.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
give me an example of a blue voting district investigated by an independent auditor.........by the way, the Arizona investigation found dozens of problems......all were ignored.....
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None of the problems were significant and would not have changed the outcome. The Cyber Ninjas were not independent or auditors. The owner believed in Trump's election fraud lies and they had never done an election audit. They are no longer in business.

Many of the problems they found did not even make sense if you read the report. Others have been explained by AZ officials who actually knew how the election worked.
 
Flash said:
...Redistricting does not affect the right to vote although it may mean your candidate might not win. Limiting voting precincts can easily be remedied by early voting where there are seldom any lines.
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So, in your considered opinion, ensuring voting districts only result in wins for your favored party honest?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Unfortunately, agreed.

There's a reason why OJ and Trump shared the same lawyer; money buys the best. It's like an old western shootout between the local sheriff and a hired gun of the land barons.

The irony? The same laws that protect the criminals most RWNJs hate are also the same laws that protect people like OJ and Pedo Don: a presumption of innocence along with the philosophy that it's better to let 9 guilty men go free than to convict 1 innocent man.

OJ and Pedo Don are guilty of multiple crimes but the same laws protecting crack dealers protect them.
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That's long-winded, Dutch. Get to the point on money buys the best. Both OJ and Trump are B or C players at best. They beat the system that money owns but it didn't end there, the system proved it would do anything and everything to bring down OJ and Trump. That's why they have such a big following.
 
goat said:
That's long-winded, Dutch. Get to the point on money buys the best. Both OJ and Trump are B or C players at best. They beat the system that money owns but it didn't end there, the system proved it would do anything and everything to bring down OJ and Trump. That's why they have such a big following.
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Wow, goat. You're getting into Gemini and salty territory there. :rofl2:
 
Flash said:
I'm not that familiar with the partisan election boards. What I have read doesn't sound like a good idea.

I live in Texas and voting is very easy. People over 65 or who have disabilities or will be out of the county on election day can vote by mail. Early voting lasts for 12 days with multiple polling places and voters can choose any location. Voters can track their mail in ballot and be notified if there is a problem with the opportunity to correct the defect.

A disabled voter can have their ballot brought to them in their car curbside. Voters may bring an interpreter.
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And yet Democrats still accuse Texas of voter suppression.
 
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ExpressLane said:
And yet Democrats still accuse Texas of voter suppression.
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Very true, but they have not been able to provide any evidence of suppression. When I point out that even after laws to impose some restrictions, voter turnout has continued to increase. Their only response is that it would have increased more without those laws.

Both parties come up with charges to use in attacking the other with no proof. It reminds me of elementary school and often just as juvenile. Only young kids do not lie so much and are not so vicious, bitter, and full of hate.
 
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