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”Climate disinformation leaves lasting mark as world heats”

“In 1998, as nations around the world agreed to cut carbon emissions through the Kyoto Protocol, America’s fossil fuel companies plotted their response, including an aggressive strategy to inject doubt into the public debate.”

“Victory,” according to the American Petroleum Institute’s memo, “will be achieved when average citizens ‘understand’ (recognize) uncertainties in climate science... Unless ‘climate change’ becomes a non-issue... there may be no moment when we can declare victory.”

“The memo went on to outline how fossil fuel companies could manipulate journalists and the broader public by muddying the evidence, by playing up “both sides” of the debate and by portraying those seeking to reduce emissions as “out of touch with reality.”

“The tragedy of this is that all over social media, you can see tens of millions of Americans who think scientists are lying, even about things that have been proven for decades,” said Naomi Oreskes, a historian of science at Harvard University who has written about the history of climate change disinformation. “They’ve been persuaded by decades of disinformation. The denial is really, really deep.”

“Fossil fuel companies spent big in an effort to undermine support for emissions reductions. Starting in the 1980s and 1990s, as public awareness of climate change grew, fossil fuel companies poured millions of dollars into public relations campaigns denouncing the accumulating evidence supporting the idea of climate change. They funded supposedly independent think tanks that cherrypicked the science and promoted fringe views designed to make it look like there were two legitimate sides to the dispute.“

https://www.tampabay.com/news/envir...formation-leaves-lasting-mark-as-world-heats/

Always comical when you see one of the Flat Earthers jump in with supposed “proof” that climate change is a myth by citing some obscure contrarian’s “study” who often turns out to be something like a disgruntled weatherman. Or the genuine sounding organization they supposedly belong to which turns out to be a front funded by energy interests.

The same can be seen all during Covid, when the scientists were allegedly lying to us, and masks plus vaccines were portrayed as useless or even harmful

All stems from many on the right easily swallowing whatever they hear that legitimatizes what they want to believe, true or not, the climatologists want to take away your F250 Duallies. AM radio has been doing it for decades, Murdoch capitalized on it with the “fair and balanced” bullshit.

As Jefferson warned, if you want to keep a democracy you have to have a knowledgeable citizenry
 
Naomi Oreskes is a political scientist who has absolutely no expertise in climate science. It's fucking laughable that you don't know that, Arsecheese. Here is a real climate scientist discussing that charlatan.

https://judithcurry.com/2019/08/21/re-evaluating-the-manufacture-of-the-climate-consensus/

Don’t know if it is fucking laughable or just pathetic to pick out the author of a single comment from an article that is not about her nor based on her work and slam her and the article for a pretense she didn’t make. Her comment was not an opinion about science. It was about sociological influence.
 
I find it hilarious, watching liberals and conservatives get manipulated by their handlers in to believing that the 'other side' is being deceived, all the while refusing to acknowledge that they are also being deceived :laugh:
 
Naomi Oreskes is a political scientist who has absolutely no expertise in climate science. It's fucking laughable that you don't know that, Arsecheese. Here is a real climate scientist discussing that charlatan.

https://judithcurry.com/2019/08/21/re-evaluating-the-manufacture-of-the-climate-consensus/

Love it when they just jump in with what they think is a gotcha moment while in reality have proven your point

The article is based upon the study of “Naomi Oreskes,” and Naomi Oreskes isn’t just a “political scientist” as implied.

“She became Professor of the History of Science and Affiliated Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard University in 2013. She has worked on studies of geophysics, environmental issues such as global warming, and the history of science. In 2010, Oreskes co-authored Merchants of Doubt, which identified some parallels between the climate change debate and earlier public controversies, notably the tobacco industry's campaign to obscure the link between smoking and serious disease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Oreskes)”.

And on the other hand we have Judith Curry who is known as a contrarian scientist hosting a blog which is part of the climate change denial blogosphere. Her bigger claim to fame is testifying in front of GOP House Committees on climate changes

As I said, always comical when you see one of the Flat Earthers jump in with supposed “proof” that climate change is a myth by citing some obscure contrarian’s opinions.
 
I find it hilarious, watching liberals and conservatives get manipulated by their handlers in to believing that the 'other side' is being deceived, all the while refusing to acknowledge that they are also being deceived :laugh:

Well given that the overwhelming majority, I believe it is 98%, of climate scientists agree that man made climate change is real that we pretty much know which side is being deceived, how they are being deceived, and who is doing the deceiving

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck land sounds like a duck, it sure as hell ain’t an elephant
 
Well given that the overwhelming majority, I believe it is 98%, of climate scientists agree that man made climate change is real that we pretty much know which side is being deceived, how they are being deceived, and who is doing the deceiving

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck land sounds like a duck, it sure as hell ain’t an elephant

and there are more than two genders, men can get pregnant and have menstrual cycles..........yeah, all that science shit is overwhelmingly used to manipulate you dumb fuckers
 
”Climate disinformation leaves lasting mark as world heats”

“In 1998, as nations around the world agreed to cut carbon emissions through the Kyoto Protocol, America’s fossil fuel companies plotted their response, including an aggressive strategy to inject doubt into the public debate.”

“Victory,” according to the American Petroleum Institute’s memo, “will be achieved when average citizens ‘understand’ (recognize) uncertainties in climate science... Unless ‘climate change’ becomes a non-issue... there may be no moment when we can declare victory.”

“The memo went on to outline how fossil fuel companies could manipulate journalists and the broader public by muddying the evidence, by playing up “both sides” of the debate and by portraying those seeking to reduce emissions as “out of touch with reality.”

“The tragedy of this is that all over social media, you can see tens of millions of Americans who think scientists are lying, even about things that have been proven for decades,” said Naomi Oreskes, a historian of science at Harvard University who has written about the history of climate change disinformation. “They’ve been persuaded by decades of disinformation. The denial is really, really deep.”

“Fossil fuel companies spent big in an effort to undermine support for emissions reductions. Starting in the 1980s and 1990s, as public awareness of climate change grew, fossil fuel companies poured millions of dollars into public relations campaigns denouncing the accumulating evidence supporting the idea of climate change. They funded supposedly independent think tanks that cherrypicked the science and promoted fringe views designed to make it look like there were two legitimate sides to the dispute.“

https://www.tampabay.com/news/envir...formation-leaves-lasting-mark-as-world-heats/

Always comical when you see one of the Flat Earthers jump in with supposed “proof” that climate change is a myth by citing some obscure contrarian’s “study” who often turns out to be something like a disgruntled weatherman. Or the genuine sounding organization they supposedly belong to which turns out to be a front funded by energy interests.

The same can be seen all during Covid, when the scientists were allegedly lying to us, and masks plus vaccines were portrayed as useless or even harmful

All stems from many on the right easily swallowing whatever they hear that legitimatizes what they want to believe, true or not, the climatologists want to take away your F250 Duallies. AM radio has been doing it for decades, Murdoch capitalized on it with the “fair and balanced” bullshit.

As Jefferson warned, if you want to keep a democracy you have to have a knowledgeable citizenry
The Earth is and will be fine. Fuck off.
 
”Climate disinformation leaves lasting mark as world heats”
Heat has no temperature. Chanting Holy Words will not help you.
“In 1998, as nations around the world agreed to cut carbon emissions through the Kyoto Protocol,
None of them did. The Kyoto protocol did not discuss carbon emissions.
America’s fossil fuel companies plotted their response, including an aggressive strategy to inject doubt into the public debate.”
There are no fossil fuel companies.
“Victory,” according to the American Petroleum Institute’s memo, “will be achieved when average citizens ‘understand’ (recognize) uncertainties in climate science...
There is no climate science. There is no such thing. Chanting Holy Words does not help you.
Unless ‘climate change’ becomes a non-issue... there may be no moment when we can declare victory.”
This is correct.
“The memo went on to outline how fossil fuel companies
There are no fossil fuel companies.
could manipulate journalists and the broader public by muddying the evidence,
There is no evidence.
by playing up “both sides” of the debate and by portraying those seeking to reduce emissions as “out of touch with reality.”
The Church of Global Warming is out of touch with physics and mathematics. It IS their reality.
“The tragedy of this is that all over social media, you can see tens of millions of Americans who think scientists are lying,
Science isn't scientists. There is no such thing as 'climate science'.
even about things that have been proven for decades,
Science has no proofs. It is not a closed functional system. Proofs can only exist in a closed functional system, such as mathematics or logic.
” said Naomi Oreskes, a historian of science at Harvard University who has written about the history of climate change disinformation.
There is no science called 'climate change' or 'climate change disinformation'.
“They’ve been persuaded by decades of disinformation. The denial is really, really deep.”
LIF. It is the Church of Global Warming that routinely discards the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and mathematics, particularly statistical mathematics.
“Fossil fuel companies
No such thing.
spent big in an effort to undermine support for emissions reductions. Starting in the 1980s and 1990s, as public awareness of climate change grew,
Climate cannot change.
fossil fuel companies
No such thing.
poured millions of dollars into public relations campaigns denouncing the accumulating evidence supporting the idea of climate change.
There is no evidence. Climate cannot change.
They funded supposedly independent think tanks that cherrypicked the science
Science is not data. It is not subject to cherry picking.
and promoted fringe views
Theories of science are not a 'fringe view'.
designed to make it look like there were two legitimate sides to the dispute.“
There isn't. There is only one side. It isn't the Church of Global Warming.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
It is not possible for any gas or vapor to warm the Earth.
Always comical when you see one of the Flat Earthers jump in
Chanting Holy Words will not help you.
with supposed “proof” that climate change is a myth
It isn't. It's meaningless buzzword chanted by the Church of Global Warming.
by citing some obscure contrarian’s “study” who often turns out to be something like a disgruntled weatherman.
Not necessary. All I need to cite are the theories of science you discard, and the mathematics you discard.
Or the genuine sounding organization they supposedly belong to which turns out to be a front funded by energy interests.
No need. All I need to cite are the theories of science you discard, and the mathematics you discard.
The same can be seen all during Covid, when the scientists were allegedly lying to us,
A lot of them were. They were discarding virology, biology, and engineering.
and masks plus vaccines were portrayed as useless or even harmful
Paradox M. Paradox V. Long term use of N95 or any other dust masks (over about 2 hours) is harmful. Masks can and do harbor bacteria and fungi.

To reiterate:
Paradox M:
1) I wear a mask to protect myself from the Covid virus.
2) I demand YOU wear a mask because mine doesn't work.

Paradox V:
1) I take the vaccine to protect myself from the Covid virus.
2) I demand YOU take the vaccine because mine doesn't work.

N95 masks do not stop any virus.
Apparently the 'vaccine' is a placebo. People that have received the vaccine are still contracting and showing full Covid symptoms. Biden is a recent public example of this.
All stems from many on the right easily swallowing whatever they hear that legitimatizes what they want to believe, true or not,
No, you cannot discard history, theories of science, or mathematics, dude.
the climatologists want to take away your F250 Duallies.
That they do. They've openly stated as such.
AM radio has been doing it for decades, Murdoch capitalized on it with the “fair and balanced” bullshit.
The federal government has no authority to limit speech. 'Fair and balanced' was actually unfair AND unbalanced.
As Jefferson warned, if you want to keep a democracy you have to have a knowledgeable citizenry
The United States was never a democracy. It was a federated republic.
 
Love it when they just jump in with what they think is a gotcha moment while in reality have proven your point

The article is based upon the study of “Naomi Oreskes,” and Naomi Oreskes isn’t just a “political scientist” as implied.

“She became Professor of the History of Science and Affiliated Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard University in 2013. She has worked on studies of geophysics, environmental issues such as global warming, and the history of science. In 2010, Oreskes co-authored Merchants of Doubt, which identified some parallels between the climate change debate and earlier public controversies, notably the tobacco industry's campaign to obscure the link between smoking and serious disease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Oreskes)”.

And on the other hand we have Judith Curry who is known as a contrarian scientist hosting a blog which is part of the climate change denial blogosphere. Her bigger claim to fame is testifying in front of GOP House Committees on climate changes

As I said, always comical when you see one of the Flat Earthers jump in with supposed “proof” that climate change is a myth by citing some obscure contrarian’s opinions.

Irrelevance fallacy. Buzzword fallacies.
There is no such thing as 'climate science', except as a meaningless Holy Word chanted by the Church of Global Warming. Climate is not a branch of science.
 
Love it when they just jump in with what they think is a gotcha moment while in reality have proven your point

The article is based upon the study of “Naomi Oreskes,” and Naomi Oreskes isn’t just a “political scientist” as implied.

“She became Professor of the History of Science and Affiliated Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard University in 2013. She has worked on studies of geophysics, environmental issues such as global warming, and the history of science. In 2010, Oreskes co-authored Merchants of Doubt, which identified some parallels between the climate change debate and earlier public controversies, notably the tobacco industry's campaign to obscure the link between smoking and serious disease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Oreskes)”.

And on the other hand we have Judith Curry who is known as a contrarian scientist hosting a blog which is part of the climate change denial blogosphere. Her bigger claim to fame is testifying in front of GOP House Committees on climate changes

As I said, always comical when you see one of the Flat Earthers jump in with supposed “proof” that climate change is a myth by citing some obscure contrarian’s opinions.

Irrelevance fallacy. Buzzword fallacies.
There is no such thing as 'climate science', except as a meaningless Holy Word chanted by the Church of Global Warming. Climate is not a branch of science.
 
Well given that the overwhelming majority, I believe it is 98%, of climate scientists agree that man made climate change is real that we pretty much know which side is being deceived, how they are being deceived, and who is doing the deceiving
The Church of Global Warming. Climate is not a science. 'Climate scientists' deny and discard several theories of science.
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck land sounds like a duck, it sure as hell ain’t an elephant
Cliche fallacy.
 
Love it when they just jump in with what they think is a gotcha moment while in reality have proven your point

The article is based upon the study of “Naomi Oreskes,” and Naomi Oreskes isn’t just a “political scientist” as implied.

“She became Professor of the History of Science and Affiliated Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard University in 2013. She has worked on studies of geophysics, environmental issues such as global warming, and the history of science. In 2010, Oreskes co-authored Merchants of Doubt, which identified some parallels between the climate change debate and earlier public controversies, notably the tobacco industry's campaign to obscure the link between smoking and serious disease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Oreskes)”.

And on the other hand we have Judith Curry who is known as a contrarian scientist hosting a blog which is part of the climate change denial blogosphere. Her bigger claim to fame is testifying in front of GOP House Committees on climate changes

As I said, always comical when you see one of the Flat Earthers jump in with supposed “proof” that climate change is a myth by citing some obscure contrarian’s opinions.

You're a fucking idiot, Arsecheese!
 
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