The future climate - the planet is giving us a glimpse

Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science. CO2 is simply part of Earth, and cools along with the rest of Earth, at a rate equal to Earth being heated by the Sun.

I accept your tacit confession that you never have, and
you never will give any links to a body of reputable peer reviewed science to support your claims.
 
That luxury Tesla AOC bought, is subsidized by the American taxpayer. As are many 'green' industries.

And yes, I know you think the world ends at the U.S. border, like all white libs, ... but there are taxpayers in other countries, too. :palm:

And their CO2 emissions do not stop at their borders as many white libs believe it does.

What would make you think we are not talking about global expenditures?

Their CO2 emissions don't matter anyway. CO2 has no capability to warm the Earth. It is a naturally occurring gas absolutely essential for life on Earth to exist.
 
Obama's Solyndra fiasco should have been the end of the story in the U.S..

It's called Global Warming, NOT U.S. warming. :palm:

They have international meetings about that shit hoax. :palm: You think Europe doesn't[ spend anything on GW?

You are quite right. The Church of Global Warming is worldwide.
 
We should lead.

It's funny when people bring up Solyndra. That's business. There are failures and successes. If we stopped pursuing things after the 1st failure - flight, medicine, the internet - we'd still be in the dark ages.

Solyndra is not an invention. It was company owned by Democrats scamming government money for subsidizing solar power. That's called a criminal act, dude.
 
No, China should lead. But they are building a new coal plant every week.

"Emissions must peak before 2025 for 'liveable future', UN ...https://www.france24.com › environment › 20220404-...
Apr 4, 2022 — Capping global warming at 1.5C without overshooting the mark by a wide margin will require investing about $2.3 trillion a year in the ..."

Death cults ... they are always moving the dates. :palm:

Lead what?
 
Which, personally, I think is very nice of the planet.

And no - I'm not saying one weather event means anything. But, it is showing us what a likely future outcome will be. Global temps pushing and exceeding 100, the polar caps melting at accelerated rates.

Honestly, even the Green New Deal doesn't go far enough. We need a revolution in terms of energy use and conservation. It won't happen - but it's what we need. Conservatives always say that environmentalists are alarmists and have been doing the "boy cries wolf" routine for decades - but what they don't seem to realize is that most predictions about the climate and our planet have come true. We've just gotten used to the changes.
Except that it's the same weather event(s)each year.

It's getting hotter and hotter in the summers, and colder in the winters in some spots. Cold climates typically see a longer warm trend in the fall, and an earlier thaw in the spring. In between we see stretches of unusually cold snaps.


When I was a kid you could stay out all day in the sun and not worry about your skin. Sunblock wasn't even invented.

Now you shouldn't be exposed to the sun for any real length of time without protection
 
I accept your tacit confession that you never have, and
you never will give any links to a body of reputable peer reviewed science to support your claims.

Science doesn't use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science.
I have already shown you the theories of science you are discarding.
 
Their CO2 emissions don't matter anyway. CO2 has no capability to warm the Earth. It is a naturally occurring gas absolutely essential for life on Earth to exist.

Essential :thup:

LIFE stripped all that carbon from the atmosphere and buried it. It's time LIFE put it back in the atmosphere.

Yep, doesn't create heat, but it does act as an insulator.
 
Except that it's the same weather event(s)each year.
Yes. Summer temperatures come every summer.
It's getting hotter and hotter in the summers, and colder in the winters in some spots.
Void argument fallacy. It is not possible to measure the temperature of summer. It is not possible to measure the temperature of winter.
Cold climates typically see a longer warm trend in the fall, and an earlier thaw in the spring. In between we see stretches of unusually cold snaps.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
When I was a kid you could stay out all day in the sun and not worry about your skin.
Denying now that kids never got sunburn???????!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sunblock wasn't even invented.
Yes it was. Sunblock was invented in 1932.
Hair, hats, and clothing make an effective sunblock also. Once past about 2pm or so, you don't need to protect yourself from sunburn. The ozone layer has been built sufficiently for the day.
Now you shouldn't be exposed to the sun for any real length of time without protection
So you are a troglodyte. Gotit.
 
Essential :thup:

LIFE stripped all that carbon from the atmosphere and buried it. It's time LIFE put it back in the atmosphere.

Yep, doesn't create heat, but it does act as an insulator.

CO2 is NOT a thermal insulator. Indeed, it conducts heat better than any other common gas. This is one of the reasons we use it in fire extinguishers.
CO2 will put out a fire in two ways:
1) Removing thermal energy from the fire by conducting heat away rapidly.
2) Displacing oxygen.

This breaks the fire 'triangle' in two places, and CO2 is cheap and leaves no lasting residue. This is why it is most commonly used for aircraft extinguishing systems and in aircraft hangars. In more advanced systems in hangars, it is combined with a foaming agent, trapping CO2 in the foam and smothering the flames. That system is usually installed in larger hangars due to it's expense. It can be used against type A, B, and C fires. It is ineffective against class D fires.
 
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Science doesn't use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science.
I have already shown you the theories of science you are discarding.
^^ Still no links to any body of reputable peer reviewed science to support your claims, and I guarantee you never will provide any.
 
Which, personally, I think is very nice of the planet.

And no - I'm not saying one weather event means anything. But, it is showing us what a likely future outcome will be. Global temps pushing and exceeding 100, the polar caps melting at accelerated rates.

Honestly, even the Green New Deal doesn't go far enough. We need a revolution in terms of energy use and conservation. It won't happen - but it's what we need. Conservatives always say that environmentalists are alarmists and have been doing the "boy cries wolf" routine for decades - but what they don't seem to realize is that most predictions about the climate and our planet have come true. We've just gotten used to the changes.

It takes a real dumbass to buy the bullshit peddled by man caused global warming hoaxers. Who listens to these liars other than idiots like Biden?

10 Failed Global Warming Predictions That You Need To Know About

Prediction #1: Global cooling is the real problem
When the environmentalist movement began in earnest back in the 1970s, climate change was still a core tenet of true believers. Unlike now, however, they were more concerned about an ice age than a planet that was too hot.

Prediction #2: If global warming isn’t reversed by the year 2000, it will be too late to avert catastrophe
That was the 1989 prediction by Noel Brown, an environmentalist apparatchik at the U.N. — that global body that has brought us so much rubbish when it comes to failed global warming predictions.

Prediction #3: We’ll be living in Antarctica pretty soon
Ten years ago, a group called Forum for the Future predicted that we would be living in a world so dire that we would actually have to move to Antarctica as “climate refugees.”

The 2008 study produced what the U.K. Telegraph very charitably called “a radical set of ‘possible futures,'” among them that the first climate refugees would begin flooding our planet’s icy, southernmost when temperatures made everywhere else too hot to live.

Prediction #4: Great Britain will be almost snow-less thanks to global warming
Back in 2000, climate scientist David Viner had a very dire prediction for those living in England: Snow was going to become almost extinct there.

In a viral interview with the U.K. Independent, Viner said that snow on the isles was going to be “a very rare and exciting event.”

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” Viner said. “We’re really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time.”

Prediction #5: Snow is going to be a thing of the past in other places, too
It wasn’t just the United Kingdom. A 2001 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicted that “(m)ilder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms” but increase the number of ice storms.

Prediction #6: We only have 50 days to save the world from global warming
During the negotiations for the Copenhagen agreement in 2009, former U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown predicted that if they didn’t solve the “impasse” they found themselves in within 50 days, the world was pretty much doomed.

“If we do not reach a deal at this time, let us be in no doubt: once the damage from unchecked emissions growth is done, no retrospective global agreement, in some future period, can undo that choice,” Brown said. “So we should never allow ourselves to lose sight of the catastrophe we face if present warming trends continue.”

Prediction #7: Prince Charles says we only have 96 months to save the world
I’m not entirely sure when the moldering heir of the House of Windsor became a climate scientist, but nearly 10 years ago, Prince Charles warned us all “that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world,” the U.K. Independent reported at the time.

“We face the dual challenges of a worldview and an economic system that seem to have enormous shortcomings, together with an environmental crisis — including that of climate change — which threatens to engulf us all,” Prince Charles said, without revealing how he had “calculated” we only had 96 months left to save the world.

Prediction #8: The Earth will warm by 3 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit by 2025-2050
Back in 1988, as the global warming “consensus” began to grow, New York Times environmentalism reporter Philip Shabecoff wrote a piece of alarmism based on the work of the aforementioned James Hansen, fresh from his congressional testimony.

“If the current pace of the buildup of these gases continues, the effect is likely to be a warming of 3 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit from the year 2025 to 2050, according to these projections,” Shabecoff wrote. “The rise in global temperature is predicted to cause a thermal expansion of the oceans and to melt glaciers and polar ice, thus causing sea levels to rise by one to four feet by the middle of the next century.”

Prediction #9: Most species on the Earth will perish by 1995
Back in 1970, around the time of the first Earth Day, Democrat Wisconsin Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote an article for Look Magazine. In it, he repeated one of the most preposterous claims in the whole climate change/pollution movement: “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”

Prediction #10: Pretty much everything in “An Inconvenient Truth”
Yes, the movie that popularized the “hockey stick” graph regarding carbon emissions turns 12 this year, and it’s not exactly looking too prescient, as Michael Bastasch noted two years ago in The Daily Caller.

“One of the first glaring claims Gore makes is about Mount Kilimanjaro in Africa. He claims Africa’s tallest peak will be snow-free ‘within the decade,'” Bastasch wrote. “Gore shows slides of Kilimanjaro’s peak in the 1970s versus today to conclude the snow is disappearing.

https://www.westernjournal.com/10-failed-global-warming-predictions/
 
Ironically, ground zero for global warming denialism, the southern United States, is going to get baked and broiled the worst. I hope they don't mind triple digits weather in April and May and no relief from the relentless heat until November

Unfortunately ground zero is between your ears snowflake. :palm:
 
^^ Still no links to any body of reputable peer reviewed science to support your claims, and I guarantee you never will provide any.

Science does not use consensus. There are no voting blocs in science.
I don't need links. I already gave you the laws of thermodynamics you are ignoring, including their equations. I have also done the same with the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

URL worship.
 
It takes a real dumbass to buy the bullshit peddled by man caused global warming hoaxers. Who listens to these liars other than idiots like Biden?

There are actually quite a few well known names in the Church of Global Warming, including many Hollywood actors, Obama, both the Clintons, Jimmy Carter, Bill Nelson (director of NASA), AOC, Pelosi, etc. This religion also has many believers in universities, corporations, and of course people on forums like JPP.
10 Failed Global Warming Predictions That You Need To Know About

Prediction #1: Global cooling is the real problem
When the environmentalist movement began in earnest back in the 1970s, climate change was still a core tenet of true believers. Unlike now, however, they were more concerned about an ice age than a planet that was too hot.

Prediction #2: If global warming isn’t reversed by the year 2000, it will be too late to avert catastrophe
That was the 1989 prediction by Noel Brown, an environmentalist apparatchik at the U.N. — that global body that has brought us so much rubbish when it comes to failed global warming predictions.

Prediction #3: We’ll be living in Antarctica pretty soon
Ten years ago, a group called Forum for the Future predicted that we would be living in a world so dire that we would actually have to move to Antarctica as “climate refugees.”

The 2008 study produced what the U.K. Telegraph very charitably called “a radical set of ‘possible futures,'” among them that the first climate refugees would begin flooding our planet’s icy, southernmost when temperatures made everywhere else too hot to live.

Prediction #4: Great Britain will be almost snow-less thanks to global warming
Back in 2000, climate scientist David Viner had a very dire prediction for those living in England: Snow was going to become almost extinct there.

In a viral interview with the U.K. Independent, Viner said that snow on the isles was going to be “a very rare and exciting event.”

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” Viner said. “We’re really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time.”

Prediction #5: Snow is going to be a thing of the past in other places, too
It wasn’t just the United Kingdom. A 2001 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicted that “(m)ilder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms” but increase the number of ice storms.

Prediction #6: We only have 50 days to save the world from global warming
During the negotiations for the Copenhagen agreement in 2009, former U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown predicted that if they didn’t solve the “impasse” they found themselves in within 50 days, the world was pretty much doomed.

“If we do not reach a deal at this time, let us be in no doubt: once the damage from unchecked emissions growth is done, no retrospective global agreement, in some future period, can undo that choice,” Brown said. “So we should never allow ourselves to lose sight of the catastrophe we face if present warming trends continue.”

Prediction #7: Prince Charles says we only have 96 months to save the world
I’m not entirely sure when the moldering heir of the House of Windsor became a climate scientist, but nearly 10 years ago, Prince Charles warned us all “that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world,” the U.K. Independent reported at the time.

“We face the dual challenges of a worldview and an economic system that seem to have enormous shortcomings, together with an environmental crisis — including that of climate change — which threatens to engulf us all,” Prince Charles said, without revealing how he had “calculated” we only had 96 months left to save the world.

Prediction #8: The Earth will warm by 3 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit by 2025-2050
Back in 1988, as the global warming “consensus” began to grow, New York Times environmentalism reporter Philip Shabecoff wrote a piece of alarmism based on the work of the aforementioned James Hansen, fresh from his congressional testimony.

“If the current pace of the buildup of these gases continues, the effect is likely to be a warming of 3 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit from the year 2025 to 2050, according to these projections,” Shabecoff wrote. “The rise in global temperature is predicted to cause a thermal expansion of the oceans and to melt glaciers and polar ice, thus causing sea levels to rise by one to four feet by the middle of the next century.”

Prediction #9: Most species on the Earth will perish by 1995
Back in 1970, around the time of the first Earth Day, Democrat Wisconsin Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote an article for Look Magazine. In it, he repeated one of the most preposterous claims in the whole climate change/pollution movement: “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”

Prediction #10: Pretty much everything in “An Inconvenient Truth”
Yes, the movie that popularized the “hockey stick” graph regarding carbon emissions turns 12 this year, and it’s not exactly looking too prescient, as Michael Bastasch noted two years ago in The Daily Caller.

“One of the first glaring claims Gore makes is about Mount Kilimanjaro in Africa. He claims Africa’s tallest peak will be snow-free ‘within the decade,'” Bastasch wrote. “Gore shows slides of Kilimanjaro’s peak in the 1970s versus today to conclude the snow is disappearing.

All of which is true. Every single one of these predictions were made, and every single one of them failed to occur.
 
We should lead.

It's funny when people bring up Solyndra. That's business. There are failures and successes. If we stopped pursuing things after the 1st failure - flight, medicine, the internet - we'd still be in the dark ages.

It's not so funny when you realize that solar PV electric production systems have been around for over a century, nearly a century and a half, and yet they really haven't improved in output much in the last 50 or so years. They still operate at most at around 20% efficiency. There really isn't much, if any, room for improvement beyond that. They don't work when it's dark either. They work worse when it's too hot (> 25 C).

That means your average PV solar array has a capacity factor per kilowatt day of around just 15 to 20% Rule of thumb in sunny areas is 20%. That in turn means you need 5 KW of installed capacity to get 1 kilowatt-day of power out of such an array and you'll need about 3.5 kw to 4 kw of storage capacity to provide it.
When you factor in the conversion (DC to AC) equipment, storage, land, and associated infrastructure, if the panels themselves were FREE solar would still be too expensive to use. That's how pathetically bad it is!
 
Science does not use consensus. There are no voting blocs in science.
I don't need links. I already gave you the laws of thermodynamics you are ignoring, including their equations. I have also done the same with the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

URL worship.

So you're saying all the claims you are making cannot be corroborated by reputable, peer reviewed science.
 
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